How state of the art is CSA's sig verificati2803
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| Is it that thorough? Can it be beat? Has anyone of been turned down for a sig red lable order? | ||
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| I've heard of false negatives, but I have yet to hear of a false positive. I would derive from that that they are pretty strict. Good question though, I'd be interested to know if they rely on human eyes or computer data points like facial recognition |
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| Signature authentication is more of an art than something that is done via a computer program. A data base of exemplars over different times in a person's life is built as people signatures change over time. Some of those are rushed and others aren't. Comparisons are made to those. Kind of like anything, errors can be made. The best signature authenticators make mistakes. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeerHave they ever changed their decision? |
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| Here is a link to their site.... http://www.csacomics.com/cbcsauthenticate.htm |
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ZosoRocks private msg quote post Address this user | |
| ....and if you go further into the site....you will come to this point....which lists the signatures that they have "records" for... http://www.csacomics.com/cbcssignatures.htm I guess this is helpful to us collectors, especially it allows us to know what sigs they already have on file......and the list includes many genres. |
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| so this is purely anecdotal.... On the Facebook trading group for Ninja Turtle Collectors, there is one individual who gives claim that the red label with CBCS is "a joke" and "can easily be faked". I tried finding this post but shrugged it off when I first read it. The man claims that his buddy who "has an excellent pen hand" decided to "copy an eastman sig on a turtle book and his friend submitted it in to get the ultimate approval and red label back in the mail" - said it was "verified to be signed by Kevin Eastman". Like I stated before, I shrugged it off and moved on. This thread made me recollect that story from last week. |
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| I have definitely heard of books failing verification.. Though in that case, it woudn't take sophisticated techniques and technology to make the call. @ZosoRocks The list on their site isn't comprehensive. You can contact them if you have questions about sigs they can verify. |
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Of course you can not take the second hand word of a first hand con artist with any validity.  |
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| I have trouble matching my own signature, and I'm me. Lol | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Yep....but I pretty much only have "known" signatures that could be verified. The story above on the "Eastman" sig....probably an anomaly or rare occurrence. People like that who use forgery for personal gain are folks I never get involved with, so I really can't comment upon if it is possible to do or not. In fact, I think I have been patiently waiting for something like this to surface.....because I always think if someone can tamper with the slab, and reassemble it as if they have not, we will begin to see issues like the "Eastman" sig, as well as, IMO - book swaps. It is just all part of this game we are playing. Whether we play or not, is up to us. Cheers! |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks Well... |
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| Looks like I am not the only one. SO much for carefully guarded secrets, huh? :o) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Are you the "Red Label Forger"?? LOL OOOOO....>I think I just created a new super villain. "The Red Forger"!! His goal is to bring down Corporate America and the ruthlessness they have with the banking industry. :o) |
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(not my art) |
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| I had books signed in person that have been rejected. A$AP Rocky was rejected.  |
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| @dielinfinite *sighs*.....darn.....I thought I was onto something! ;o) |
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| @ZosoRocks I'm not even sure what that is exactly but a company named Red Forge used it on their website as oart of their "Why Us" page so it's not an official mascot as far as I know | ||
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| LOL I'm just not seeing myself drawing anything but a stick guy!! hehehe.....literally....I can only draw pants and a shirt on the stick figure....but that is about it. :o) If anyone wants to embark in the comic industry with a new character.....send me a check for the rights! LOL |
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Quote:Originally Posted by jimmylinguini How was that possible? Sounds like an interesting story. |
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| I had a Stan Lee signature not verified, and a Feldstein, Marie Severin and a Beck verified. Very happy I did it but since the Lee was shot down, I think the writing on the cover knocked a 9.6 to a 9.0. Still, slabs are cool. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks They reject signatures they can't identify... They clearly didn't have any A$AP Rocky signatures on file. |
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| @jimmylinguini That makes sense. You can contact them via email or facebook to ask if they have a particular person's signature to check against, especially if you're looking at a rare or local signature | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Same here. Precisely why handwriting and signature verification does not consider heavily what the signature looks like. Anyone can copy a signature. Every person leaves a unique "fingerprint". Your signature may not look the same every time, but there are things that are exactly the same every time; where the pen starts, where the pen stops, where the pen hesitates, even the line thickness at certain points (shows how you are holding your pen), and of course how hard the pen is pressed (or not) at certain points. Duplicating those data points ( and others that I'm not aware of) while tracing a signature = almost impossible. |
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| overall , I'm very happy with the sig. ver. program, but I have had my episodes. Lets run through it shall we  1) had 3 books rejected out of 15 submitted for verification. One of those books I had signed myself and two were DF "sealed" that I had purchased years earlier. At first I was irritated, but realized there is still room for error like anything else and sigs change (as mentioned above) so nothing is 100%. I got over it..but, I can't in good faith sell these 3 books for FMV knowing they'll fail verification so that kind'v blows. It's not worth trying to explain to a buyer 6 months later why I feel they're legit. I did call DF and they "apologized" and said they'd be working with CBCS on fine tuning the situation - which really doesn't mean much since CBCS can't change their integrity on another company's say so. 2)Had a triple sig fail 2 sigs because they weren't in the data base. I paid for the "legit" sig and was bothered that they went through with it if they didn't have the other two sigs . I'm paying to get a book back that is getting whacked for writing on the cover i.e.: the other two sigs. CBCS was awesome about it and after I located and contacted the other two artists ...they sent in sigs and CBCS didn't charge me to re-verify or re-grade . Went from a 9.0 to a 9.8. I later realized, CBCS can't pick and choose what and when..it'd get too complicated. Submit the book, pay, and whatever happens happens. It's all good .3) was at a Con and in line with a CBCS rep...wanted 2 different artists. Adams and Claremont...amazingly, both artists stopped mid signing (one pen died and one got side-tracked in conversation) and redid their sigs...I looked over at the rep and said "you know, if you weren't watching this , both sigs would have failed" ..he smiled. The point is that this must happen a lot if it happened 2 for 2 with me at one show in 15 minutes. But there's nothing CBCS can do about the anomalies...it happens. I'd rather get rejected a couple of times on legit sigs than buy a book that passed that was fraudulent. just my 2 cents - and I love the red label system ...just giving my experiences since we're on the topic. I'm guessing I'm at about 8% rejection rate which is pretty good if I can't get yellow |
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| Being an artist, there are sigs out there that all I need is a reference of several of that particular, authentic sig and a few of the final raw books to give it a go. I'd have nothing to lose if I were to submit a copy this way. So ultimately I believe the verification process can be hit or miss with the possibility of err on the hit side. This is why I brought up the question, aside from red labels I'd like to submit for...genuine. | ||
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| How to Analyze Handwriting (Graphology) Graphology, Wikipedia |
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| I'm aware of graphology, Lego. It isn't a perfect science, my question pertained to CSA's process in particular. You definitely know Wikipedia though. Thanks | ||
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| @verbogyrater did you check out the info on this link? http://www.csacomics.com/cbcsauthenticate.htm |
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| I can't imagine it that is much different for comics autographs. I think the CBCS program is helpful, but its not perfect. Easiest way to make sure a sig is authentic is to get it yourself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/10/31/say-it-aint-so-fbi-finds-70-of-sports-autographs-are-fake/788e5dd9-0494-4d19-ae1e-98653b86da34/?utm_term=.aa317182c692 |
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