Topics tagged with Comics Restoration and Conservation'

★ CBCS Message Board - Terms of Use

SteveRicketts

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3 yearsSteveRicketts (8138): CBCS Message Board Terms of Use Created: December 15, 2015 Last update: March 30, 2018 The CBCS discussion forum and message board [the “Forum” or “CBCS Message Board”] accessible through the cbcscomics.com Web site [the “Site”] [collectively the “Forum Services”] is brought to you by Comic Book Certification Service, LLC [“CBCS,” “we,” “our,” or “Company”]. In addition to any other Terms of Use and/or...

Gerber Full-Back / Mylites2 Question

tonnage71

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1 monthDrogio (4947): BTW, I’ve noticed recently when I store books in regular bags with regular boards (acid free non mylites) color rubs from the comic t9mthe board frequently. To combat this i have started bagging the comic in a regular size bag without a board, then placing that inside of a silver age back with a silver age board. Basically double bagging with a board separated from the comic by a bag. Not sure this will prevent this in the future, but...

To restore, or not restore, that's the question

roasty

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3 monthsroasty (21): Lots of interesting comments. The plan is likely to sell most (got bills to pay).

Kirby

Zombie_Head

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4 monthsBrianGreensnips (5215): The Tom Reilly pedigree has an interesting story behind it. I recommend everyone here to check these stories out.

Auction - Hulk #1 9.8 CBCS Restored

GanaSoth

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4 monthsCaptainCanuck (2153): It’s an “apparent” 9.8.

Marvel Value Stamp cut out, but still have the stamp.

NightRelic

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5 monthsGAC (4739): @esaravo Very cool! Thanks! The cut out is about 1/9 of a page and obviously effects art. I wasnt sure how large a section of a page needs to be missing before the .5/incomplete designation is applied.

Cleaning and Pressing

cosanostra937

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5 monthsmoodswing (1115): Didn't know pressing and cleaning was that much. So to get an older X-Men comic graded/pressed by itself you are looking at $80ish. That seems like a lot.

Stamps on comics and their affect on the grade

Randomdoge

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6 monthsCatmanAmerica (12736): It doesn't affect the grade, but the CCA stamp usually limits my interest! :beer:;) .

Pressing/Cleaning/Grading Question

CatCovers

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7 monthsGAC (4739): as is, 2.5 - 3.0 range I'd say.

Pre Sreening

cosanostra937

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7 monthsCatmanAmerica (12736): Pre-screening is definitely a service available at CBCS, but I don't think restoration removal is currently one of the services offered. I'm making that assumption based on the books sent with Steve Borock for grading and pre-screening at last month's OAFcon, two came back with discovered restoration, ...one having been graded previously by CGC as a universal grade! If CBCS offered this service for suitable candidates, I'd certainly consider...

CGC will now allow CBCS slabs to be regraded/retagged with CGC labeling....

ZosoRocks

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7 monthskaptainmyke (21575): https://forum.cbcscomics.com/cached/507e5177dd8f273cbff14990dca81729.gif https://forum.cbcscomics.com/cached/623fd15949abadaaf2247d0c52c006c0.gif

Has this comic, colour touch?

ZZXMAN

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7 monthsZZXMAN (8): Ok, I will buy a UV flashlight. I think it's worth to have one, to detect color touch and more things that can't be seen easily.

Is this comic trimmed?

ZZXMAN

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7 monthsZZXMAN (8): ok thanks for your answer and now I have understood that it is not trimmed.

How do you grade this?

Flip1987

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8 monthsFlip1987 (25): Mine its Just in The cover... What a disappointment

replacing bags and boards

stanley_1883

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9 monthsBrianGreensnips (5215): You could do Amazon or EBay and not have to buy the minimum of $100 worth, but you will pay a considerable anount more.

Catalog Collection

stanley_1883

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9 monthsKatKomics (4874): Gonna sound horrible but I'm on excel :( Not sure if there is some way to easily drop my info into another program so I just keep updating the file with the odd backup stored as an attachment in e-mail....

Hero Restoration Results - Thoughts?

iggykoopa30

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10 monthsOdins_Raven (2299): Mike at HeroResto pressed my AF 15 and HoS 92 and did a fantastic job. Highly recommend.

Color Touch Removal anyone?

KingNampa

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1 year3JJr (205): Unfortunately, removal is highly technical, unless you want to throw good money after bad and have a resto-removed book return to PaPa in a purple label anyway. What the amateur who applied the color touch on the DD 1 didn't take into consideration is the feathering in fibrous areas. The ink soaked outward, beyond the perimeter of the fissure the color touch should have been contained within, which resulted in the otherwise well-matched...

Golden Age Comic Spine Roll Question

HammitChris

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1 yearQuaBrot (1159): @CFP_Comics Joe, show off!

CGC unrestored to CBCS restored!

JAMESC

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1 yearTedsaid (2323): Wait, where was this? A different thread maybe?

1971 DC Comics HOUSE OF SECRETS 92

kaptainmyke

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1 yearDavid_Kent (625): How do you feel about Jodie Whitaker Dr Watson!

What is/not should be considered Restoration

VCBE

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1 yearRedshade (1111): I remember seeing ads by restoration companies in the 80s in Comic Buyers Guide and Overstreet which showed before and after pictures of restored comics where the original books had massive pieces out of the spines and covers. The after pictures showed "perfect" comics. When a comic is missing an inch of its spine and half of its back cover what is it that is actually used to replace the missing pieces? Photocopies? Forged art? Even...

CGC Green Label to CBCS Blue Label

c2t2merch

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1 yearDrogio (4947): Don't you just want to crack that open so you can hold it in your hands (very gently)? If you're selling it, sure...slab it....you'll get the most out of it. But this book should be held and admired page by page. How many people on this earth get to hold that issue?

Restored Books

jrs

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1 yearWatcher (3157): @conditionfreak....not a cent. But if it stays an 8 or the other flaws are bends and a press keeps it an 8, then a couple hundred bucks to remove color touch, press and re-grade/ship may be worth it. IF it can all be done for a couple hundred..and done right .

Detecting Resto - UVA vs. Black Light

Drogio

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1 yearDrogio (4947): I'm thinking of this light. clickable text

Hand washing

QuaBrot

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1 yearOdins_Raven (2299): Purell those puppies!

Restoration/Conservation Question

Etkt

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1 yearHomer (976): Cbcs does not have a purple restored label or green qualified label. They stick with blue labels and indicate restoration and flaws in text on the label. Which can be a problem on eBay if the seller does not have super clear images of the label.

Rusty staple (And migration) affect on grade

QuaBrot

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1 yeardoog (2130): 8.5 is probably the best you can hope for, but, roll them bones if you can! Then let us know. Had a 9.4 but I sold it, I personally like the 199 cover better for my wall.

Pressing comics yourself

Batman66

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1 yearVillageIdiot (1321): 🤔😒🙄

Date Stamps

Gabriel85301

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1 yearBigRedOne1944 (3355): Im absolutely OCD about condition, and probably to a fault.

STEVE BOROCK TO PRE-GRADE SCREEN DURING NYC

spaulus

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2 yearsshrewbeer (13016): Coupled with the other *low-key-high-profile* announcement, theres no good reason not to stop by to see CBCS next weekend. This is great news. I'll make the 3hr drive, assuming the better half allows it! 🍺 *its a good choice of location as well, looks like plenty of parking available on the same block

Average grade of title-less comics!

bige31

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2 yearsCopperAgeKids (3712): I kinda/highly doubt it would be an "INCOMPLETE" designation, on the label. The book, aassuming the back cover is as sharp as the rest of the front cover, looks to be in the Fine range. My guess is it would fetch a 1.0. Boy Commandos is a notoriously poor/slow seller, the grading fee would be a deal breaker. However, lower grade GA books by S & K , do sell around Overstreet in raw GD 2.0 and under. It is at least a $30 book...

Glue?

RRO

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2 yearsCopperAgeKids (3712): If staples have been cleaned or replaced, that will land you a Restored grade. Same with adding glue to a books' spine, or anywhere else. Best case scenario is you get a "Conserved" notation on a blue label.

Rat Chew

keefriffhards

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2 yearsX51 (12530): Hulk is my favorite character, so I'm pleased to own any copy. I tell people it's the best low grade copy that money could buy. :)

Get your popcorn ready...

infinityG

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2 yearsTowmater (3565): @JWKyle @poka Oh, didn't know. Thanks for the info.

Marvel Legacy Issue Number Guide

JLS_Comics

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2 yearsDarthLego (20515): https://youtu.be/lL2ZwXj1tXM

Chris Claremont

Zombie_Head

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2 yearsJustThatGuy (1549): no. he just talks a lot. just be careful of some of the things you say though, he'll go off. he caught himself from getting angry because i brought up something that people were doing( killing his legacy) to his creations.

Welcome to the CBCS Forum!

SteveRicketts

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2 yearsrec1978 (64): Hello All, I am new to the CBCS boards, but I have been around the block a little while (EBay for 16 years and CGC Chat Boards (same user id) for 4 years). If you see anything in my EBay store http://stores.ebay.com/ronnieeinnor/) that you like, please feel free to shoot me a PM! Cheers, Ron As a side note: I am sending my first book, for CBCS Submission, today! https://forum.cbcscomics.com/cached/e16a012bce850a3edf41d7413c2cc455.jpg ...

Restored 6.0 or Unrestored 3.0?

Thanatos

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2 yearsDarthLego (20515): I was unaware that @SteveRicketts does resto removal. Is this fact or fiction?

Question on cleaning and comic restoration

bige31

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2 yearsbige31 (498): So is that something that is easy for someone to do and is it relatively inexpensive?

What does CBCS "Conserved" Label mean?

kaptainmyke

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2 yearsdielinfinite (10186): So this is from CGC but I'd imagine it would more or less apply to CBCS as well: The Quality/Quantity metrics they reference are as follows:

grading question

burntboy

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2 yearsDarthLego (20515): Oh, so the book is already restored? In that case it would grade out as a restored copy and the grade as to the actual appearance and not be called an incomplete book.

Recommendation needed for restoration

Pete

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2 yearsDLAComics (40): was thinking the same thing myself. too easy of a fix.

Batman Adventures #12 Newstand Edition

kaptainmyke

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2 yearsDocBrown (16885): Whoever gives in first and offers it will get that increased business.

Got a Comic Back Tonite X-Men #58

ThorneArt

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2 yearsNuffsaid111 (1796): Oh that's very unfortunate. I was on another thread where someone indirectly was stating missing pages should get qualified and graded as if the missing page was not a defect to be counted in the grade number. I disagreed. 5.0 with those signatures is excellent.

Elseworlds 80 page - Issue with Ripples??

nikki666666

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2 yearsCFP_Comics (2843): This can be eliminated or greatly reduced. I have worked on 4-5 copies of this book in the past and had excellent results.

Grading Videos

KingNampa

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2 yearsSpiderTim (818): Wouldn't we all? lol. That will surely NEVER happen! lol

Will pressing improve this grade?

KingNampa

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2 yearsCopperAgeKids (3712): The feathering on the spine is production related, in this book it looks particularly pronounced so the book gets downgraded.....probably not by as much as you may think, though. I have yet to see a single copy of Preacher 1, Sandman 1 and Infinity Gauntlet 1 in CBCS 9.8 or CGC 9.8, that did NOT have some degree of feathering. Hard to say without a FC and BC scan but based on only the notes provided and the (not very illuminating) pic, a CPR...

Centerfold Reinforced

jrs

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2 yearsjrs (1861): @IronMan, thanks much for the insight. My curiosity arose because of those label notations.

Restored books grading grid.

OGJackster

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2 yearsshrewbeer (13016): No ideas are bad ideas, especially when it creates good constructive dialogue! I know the CBCS crew watch our conversations (hi guys 👋🏻) and the more we talk the more they know what we (the consumers) are looking for. Unfortunately you're right, sometimes the dialogue is not constructive (but its wayy better here than the other side of the street) https://forum.cbcscomics.com/cached/74693748a86dd5394aade528134c6c7c.jpg

Informative Site

jrs

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2 yearsStudley_Dudley (5805): I have a friend with a nice griddle, but I'll be damned if he's going to press my expensive pancakes no matter how good he thinks he is. He can knock out moderns pretty easily, but he hasn't had enough practice on SA, GA books to be my "go-to guy".

Examples of "Dry Cleaning"

Drogio

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2 yearsDarthLego (20515): https://forum.cbcscomics.com/cached/1375fc460f77193a37bd4ea6a91606ab.jpg

Pressing Candidate? opinions please

ThorneArt

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2 yearsThorneArt (1119): Thanks, I really appreciate the opinions folks. Exactly the kind of info I was looking for. :)

Restoration Checking Tools--Black Light?

Despain

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2 yearsJWKyle (3298): If I suspect a book colored touched. I usually go in this order Bleed through , Light the area up good and check at different angles, Black UV Flashlight and last I inspect the book with my loupe. One thing I recommend if you never seen color touch is take a garbage book with a black cover and color touch it yourself with a black marker and maybe with acrylic paint if you have some laying around. Look at what the color touch looks like and...

How to Value Restored Comics???

QuaBrot

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2 yearsjrs (1861): I think it's generally wise to defer to the market price, however you would like to determine that. Although ebay prices often seem to reflect market euphoria when a movie hits or some other development occurs involving a particular character, at the very least it reflects the price someone is willing to pay for a given book. For restored books, I have sometimes seen very little difference in purchase price as compared to Overstreet pricing. ...

1973 Ghost Rider 1 - coverless

ZosoRocks

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2 yearsshrewbeer (13016): Not really a high enough value book to have slabbed or be worth much. Great reader copy for a set though! If you got it in a goodwill bin, I'm sure its worth more than you paid; nice find 👌🏻

Removing rust stains on paper?

shrewbeer

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2 yearsAndyRexia (3614): Ok thank you

How much would a press really help?

bythegram

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2 yearswillieCPA4646 (38): From the people I know who have had lots more books graded that I have, the consensus seems to be that pressing may move the grade up somewhat. The three books I did submit to CBCS I did not get pressed. One books was signed and that comic was a special case. The other two books were graded NM to NM+ by the dealers I purchased them from (both reputable dealers, and before CGC and CBCS grading). One comic was from the Winnipeg Collection, one...

Join a Web Call Dec 8 w/ E. Gerber President

keysnruns

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2 yearsjrs (1861): Thanks.

Coverless comics

Odins_Raven

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2 yearsshrewbeer (13016): That book brings back bad memories. Had my kids with me at the CS and so of course im distracted; I saw a good looking copy for $40. Happily paid for it and a few small toys for the little ones, got home and noticed the "marvel spotlight" at the top. REPRINT 😡🔫.

Where to get size guide (check trimming)?

QuaBrot

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3 yearsPovRow (535): Basically the centerfold should stick out a little more and, as you approach the first/last page (this is when the book is folded normally) gradually stick out less. It forms a > shape when looked at edgewise from the top or bottom. Just get a newspaper and you will see it easily. Some books have the illusion of being trimmed because more art is cut off on the right edge or the top or bottom. This can be caused by mis-wrapping where the...

Newsstand marks on older books

jmh722

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3 yearsesaravo (19472): If you look at the CBCS grading guidelines, a comic in Fine/Very Fine condition can have one fairly obvious defect if the rest of the book is okay. So it's entirely possible that the books could at least grade at 7.0. If you can obtain them at the cost of a lower grade than that, like a 5.0 or 6.0, it should be worth it.

I finally got burnt - ASM #17 trim/restore

Darkga

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3 yearsDarthLego (20515): I would leave it slabbed to lessen the chances of the next buyer getting burned. If the seller cracks it, that's on them.

Grafting/replacement of MVS

jmh722

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3 yearsjmh722 (19): @Maverick: Can't post pics since it's at the buyer's house. The other page is definitely the same color though. Staples look fine though. That's what's so confounding. @Darkga: Thanks for the offer, but I'm looking for a high-grade raw That being said, if anybody needs to relieve theirself of a high-grade IH 181 raw, let's discuss. Thanks guys.

Is this Comic Restored?

poka

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3 yearspoka (10948): No noticeable difference

Added staples?

adgbiking

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3 yearsIronMan (3239): It is confusing. Trying to clarify, what CGC is saying is that new staple holes were created by an amateur reinserting new staples and making additional holes in the process. Which is fairly easy to do if you haven't given any thought to how to keep all the interior wraps lined up. The staple being reinserted will tilt, slide and move about, creating new staple holes in the interior wraps. OR using non comic book staples as replacements for the...

Can pressing be used on metallic covers?

SilverAgeFan

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3 yearsSilverAgeFan (391): @D84, Thanks a bunch! I'll zip an email off to Mike and see what he says. I honestly could find no other defects. Nothing on the spine, all four corners are cut and crisp, the opening side pages are all even in straight. Nothing on the inside or the back cover either. I believe that if the wrinkle in the corner can be pressed out it has a strong possibility of a 9.9 grade! Thanks everyone! If I have it pressed and then graded I'll update on...

blunted gloss question

jmh722

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3 yearsCCD (73): @jmh722

Went to LCS, saw a brand new CGC case, OIL!

kaptainmyke

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3 yearsVillageIdiot (1321): No, they have not. Want to see a plethora of mine without such?

Restoration Question, Married back cover

comicsmv

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3 yearsBrianGreensnips (5215): Yeah, I can't get enough of it. Lol.

Rose City Comic Con!

Gabriel85301

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3 yearsVaComicsGuy (3857): Gabriel, Sent you a PM

Comic Books with detached covers?

kaptainmyke

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3 yearskaptainmyke (21575): my goal is to get all red labels on everything I've had signed by him. I am getting all my Conway signed Spider-mans signed by Stan. However I need to pay for some of this stuff so I am getting some key books signed to sell since I have no desire to keep them. New Mutants #98 signed by Liefeld and now Stan Lee, old Journey Into Mystery comics signed by Stan Lee such as first Magneto and vs Hulk, etc...A solid 8.5 JIM 83 GRR signed by...

Being taught to grade comics.

jwalker0094

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3 yearsResurrection (661): There are two types of people who grade comics. Those who can, and those who can't. The ones who can wanted to learn and spent time learning. My best suggestion is attend conventions, talk to reputable dealers, and of course send books to be graded. Write down your estimated grade, and defects you spot to determine your grade and compare to what grade you get and graders notes. CGC and CBCS grading is the industry standard now, so I suggest...

So sorry!

SteveBorock

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3 yearsbird (4): Glad to hear that you are feeling better Steve! Take care and be well! - Sean W

Dry-cleaning and pressing

infinityG

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3 yearsSqeggs (214): Given that people seem to have been buying up apparently undergraded old label books for a long while now, I actually have the opposite reaction when I see a higher-dollar old label book up for auction: What's wrong with it? :)

Micro chamber paper

Quicksilver

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3 yearsNico (16): Ask Pete from heroes haven, he has cracked a ton of slabs, from All companies.

Can books ripple with age?

jmh722

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3 yearsCFP_Comics (2843): Depends on the level of humidity. Could be slight ripples along the top and bottom edges, all the way to a wavy distorted book. Having worked on many copies NYX #3 it is one of those books that had issues right off the press.

CBCS process

JeyNyce

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3 yearsJazzyJeffie (148): Oh, let me check my CBCS Slabs. Thanks for sharing the observation.

Urgent: PGM Giant Size X-Men 1, restoration?

WCollecbales

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3 yearsOldbsturgeon (142): when you get it back, update the thread for sure!

CBCS Grading of Restored Comics

jedijohnson

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3 yearsKenWorthing (457): I'm soooo looking forward to sending in this one. Lovingly coloured in by some kid in Indonesia, God knows how long ago! :D I've only ever seen a pic of another one .. no colouring, but .. chewed by rodents, methinks. This is mine .. http://www.kenworthing.com/Kapten_Amerika__Indonesia__nn2.jpg I've thought (briefly) about getting the colour removed, but I'm more concerned with having the book documented now.

How To Detect Restoration

PovRow

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3 yearsPovRow (535): I am using "Restoration" here in a broad sense: i.e. a process or technique designed to return the book closer to, or mke it appear closer to, its original condition. I hope that is apparent. There has yet to be an industry-wide standard as to what exactly comprises restoration. CBCS and CGC have their definitions. But those are just that: their definitions. To say something is or is not restoration is an on-going issue. Back in...