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| Do you feel those are accurate? | ||
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 I do what I can.
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| Whats going on? | ||
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| @poka Did anything you bought from Steve pass? And is this letter new? I thought in the past they said unable to verify, but now it appears they're going as far as saying it's not authentic. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bakersman I am pretty confident in the signatures. I have checked them - and although not an expect - they look authentic to me |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TheShocker Beckett believes the signatures are not authentic and provides same standard letter for all |
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders 1 - but I am keeping Steve out of it - because to me the sigs look authentic. So will get them checked by another party |
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 I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet!
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| It’s just their opinion. I have a Stan Lee I got in person and they couldn’t verify it either. I know it’s real but they couldn’t tell. I wouldn’t get too worked up over it. | ||
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 I wonder what was on page 12?
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| that's a lot of form letters, none with additional explanations sorry you wasted your money |
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 We should have the forum rate our packages.
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Quote:Originally Posted by flandersPosted on the day he is “shipping” everyone else’s books. |
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| Maybe JSA will authenticate them. After those smudged Stan Lee signatures, they will probably pass anything. | ||
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| Just a few comments/thoughts: 1. Steve did ship those books out as he said so he kept his word on that end. Hopefully the other books get shipped out as well today. 2. I've seen Stan Lee and Joe Simon signatures and the Ironman 283 and Captain America 213 both look correct/authentic. (I can't say the same about Jack Kirby because I've seen too many different versions so I am not an expert.) What I'm wondering is because of the controversy of this sale, because the sale is from Steve, and/or because the sale happened on the CBCS forum is Beckett choosing to not verify these books and remain impartial? If so, I wish they would have made a comment/statement about it before sending my books over. Hopefully they refunded you on the authentication costs. 3. Was the Fantasy Quarterly an extra book Steve sent? Because it would conveniently be a book not mentioned in this sale and not pictured at all and why CBCS verified it but rejected the others? 4. Also have no idea what the Secrets Behind the Comics signature looks like and wondering if that is also something Steve added on. But coincidentally CBCS chose to not verify any of the Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, or Joe Simon signatures (three dead) and verified the living signature. |
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| Here’s the issue I’m having. Both CBCS and CGC use their own employees as trusted signature witnesses, which makes sense. Given that, why are items purchased from Steve not considered “witnessed”? I understand that he no longer works for CBCS and that they are not obligated to recognize him as a witness. However, it seems reasonable that he—of all people, including current CBCS employees—should be considered a top-tier or “star” witness for these signatures. If Steve can't be a trusted witness, then no employee of either company should be considered "trusted." This is jut my opinion. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort Part of a witnessed signature is indicating when the signature took place. Even if Steve got these signatures personally, I doubt he can say with certainty when it happened. That also supposes he was the one who got the signatures when he could have gotten them from a collection. |
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| You are assuming that Steve witnessed the signatures. If he did, then two things have happened. 1) It is well past the time the books should have been submitted for witnessed signature labels. 2.) The books were sold raw to a third party who has submitted the books themselves and therefore broke the chain of custody. All that said, I would lean more toward the books being part of acquired collections as opposed to Steve getting the books signed in person and witnessing the signature take place himself. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| The integrity of the chain of custody should supersede everything regardless of whose books they belong(ed) to. | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| Does Beckett still charge for multiple VSP signatures on the same book even if the first one fails and they never have to spend more time trying to verify the next one(s)? | ||
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders Has that really happened? |
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort Maybe. It's never happened to me personally, but this thread seems to suggest CBCS didn't issue a refund and even charged an additional $8 fee for rejecting the signature....Specifically post #9 https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/19794/page/1/is-there-a-rejection-fee-for-failed-signature-verification/ I thought it was so absurd at the time that it seems to have a permanent place in my brain. Maybe that policy has changed. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by iamthemaster 3. the fantasy was part of Steve’s sale - not an extra book 4. not part of steve’s sale. got it from somewhere else. the sig is solid  |
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poka private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by flanders yes - they charge for all signature - but refund press/grading |
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka That Stan signature looks legitimate too. Has CBCS changed their policy and refuse to authenticate signatures of the deceased? Saw this, I guess very few get accepted: https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/18412/page/1/does-bas-still-authenticate-stan-lee-signatures/#9 |
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by iamthemaster Great news! I wouldn't send them to CBCS given their track record of denying an extremely high percentage of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby signatures. I also saw at least one $1 book on the sales thread with a Stan Lee signature and would say that those are even more unlikely to pass than a book that in itself is worth more than the signature. There are so many Stan Lee forgeries out there that fraudsters are far more likely to try it on $1 books than books worth hundreds or thousands. I wouldn't blame Beckett for denying every single one of them. |
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@iamthemaster Quote:Originally Posted by iamthemaster |
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| @ICConquest maybe we can move that discussion here and keep this thread for the vsp program. It's my fault. I brought Steve up first. https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/22144/page/1/steve-borock/#20 |
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| Please welcome me to the club!!! Both of my submissions for signature authentication, that I purchased from Steve Borock, were rejected. One was Jerry Siegel and the other was Jack Kirby. This both sucks and blows!! Again if you can't trust one of the founders of both CGC and CBCS , then who can you trust? BTW, I don't mean I don't trust him that they are genuine but that CBCs doesn't, is amazing to me. He was a founder of your company, if he's wrong, who's right? He sold them as genuine, so I believe him, but this is really discouraging. I will Probably submit them to CGC and cross my fingers. GRRRRR! |
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| So Lee, Kirby, and Siegel now. I have a theory but I won’t publicly voice it. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| @sportshort That really does suck for sure! When you say he sold them as genuine...Do you mean he said he got them signed himself...he saw them being signed or he believes they are genuine? You have to remember Steve is a comic grader...not a signature authenticator. I'm sorry those signatures didn't pass. |
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| You are correct he isn’t a sig authenticator. Hasn’t he had access to them though? It’s an awful shitty thing to insinuate but the whole thing has been tits up from the get go. I’m sorry about the hot take but it’s something that has occurred to me and only me. |
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| When I said, “I don’t mean I don’t trust him that they are genuine…,” what I meant was this: logic dictates that if he had purchased the signed items and wasn’t sure of their authenticity, he would have included a disclaimer — something like, “These signatures were not obtained by me, so I cannot guarantee they’re genuine.” He’s a professional, and I can’t believe that if he hadn’t obtained the signatures himself, it never occurred to him that they could be fake. I know for certain that if I were in his position, I would have made that clear. In his description, he wrote: “Hey all! Welcome to my 4th of July sale. Something for everyone! There will be comics, signed comics, signed graphic novels, vintage 1966 Topps Batman cards, video games, bulk lots, original art, memorabilia, and more!!!” He’s clearly not new to the business world. I still believe the signatures are genuine, but it seems that CBCS may be unwilling to authenticate them because of the inherent risk — especially with such high-profile signatures that could later, as seen in a recent auction, turn out to be fake. I still have some faith in Mr. Borock. |
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