Raw Graded books -CBCS wont use clear backing boards or Micro chamber paper21960
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| I wanted to get a bunch of raw graded. but not slabbed. I inquired if they could still use my clear backing boards and new micro chamber paper I already have with raw book. they said no. Amyone experience this and is there a way we get this changed? | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| MCP is not required and is an actual hinderance to the book over time. As long as the book ventilates, MCP is redundant. Clear backing boards: no opinion. |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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| We've been looking for a reliable source of clear PETG backing boards that meet our requirements of thickness and rigidity for quite a while. We can't find anything that meets those requirements at a price that allows us to keep the same price on Raw grade service. If anyone has a lead on a source, please send me a link. I'd be happy to enhance our Raw Grade service with clear boards. |
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So @Mellowman wanted to supply CBCS with clear boards with his raw submission (aka FREE), and CBCS said can't do it? Doesn't sound like a cost problem. Just offer the boards that meet CBCS requirements as an add-on, so again no cost concern to CBCS. Who said the price must remain the same? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Direct me to the proof of this statement. "Hindrance"? Drop your slabs in a fish tank, they all breath. These quickly googled benefits cannot benefit the new CGC raw graded comics? MicroChamber Paper Benefits MicroChamber Paper offers several benefits for the preservation of comics and photographs: Pollutant Absorption: It absorbs and neutralizes pollutants such as acids, aldehydes, ammonia, SO2, NOx, and oxidative gases, even in low concentrations. Odor Elimination: It eliminates odors like smoke, mold, and mildew, making it suitable for sensitive items. Acid Migration Prevention: It prevents acid migration, which can stain the backing board of comic books. Long-term Protection: It provides long-term protection for comics and photographs, with evidence showing it does not need to be replaced every 7 years. Conservation Resources: It is based on technology developed by Conservation Resources, ensuring high-quality conservation services. These benefits make MicroChamber Paper a valuable tool for collectors and conservators alike, ensuring the longevity and preservation of valuable items. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 Im not even worried about the price. I think CBCS should have it as a add on. you want it you pay extra. They provide it. CGC puts micro chamber paper in, but if you crack their slabs its only like a half page on front and back covers, thats terrible. For now however until they provide the option why not use the board and paper it comes in with. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mellowman I asked this question 7 years ago on this site: https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/8188/page/1/microchamber-paper-good-or-bad/ MCP has an expiry. After expiry, what its collected is now trapped in the paper in the book. A ventilated slab or bag + proper comic storage is what's important. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mellowmanit sounds like you may qualify for encapsulation services if you’re not worried about the price. WTF  do you go to the Mitsubishi dealer asking for Cadillac upgrades? They won’t do it even if you will pay more. |
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| I prefer Raw. Slabs to bulky and space consuming. | ||
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| Hulk just curious are you the guy who answers everything? poking? I have a legit question on graded Raws. | ||
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Mellowman private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Crack a CGC slab where the paper was half applied and you can see the difference in the comic pages. where the paper was applied it stayed whiter then where the paper wasnt applied. | ||
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| I only have 81K more posts to catch up to GAC | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Mellowman Hopefully you stick around the forum and I'm sure it'll happen. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Mellowmanyou asked if anyone else experienced the same refusal of a request that does not comply with policies of a business and/or the quality of service/product they provide. @SteveRicketts answered your question with facts and sound reasoning. Looks like archival products CBCS has tested and trusts is all we get. |
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Mellowman private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Actually, I wrote I wanted to get a bunch of raw graded. but not slabbed. I inquired if they could still use my clear backing boards and new micro chamber paper I already have with raw book. they said no. Anyone experience this and is there a way we get this changed? I wrote this after under 7 minutes on the forum, and as a new person, having never been here. CBCS head grader answered right behind me, then the ankle bitters came. The head grader didnt comment on the paper |
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@Mellowman I think everyone prefers raw ...for the enjoyment  ..of their books..their books people!I will say though I've never really had a desire or understood the desire for raw grading...except maybe for books too large for holders? I can understand CBCS not wanting to use someone elses provided boards etc. If it leaves the building with CBCS on it and anything...anything goes wrong it will reflect poorly on CBCS...no one will read the fine print that x y and z (zed..not zee) were materials provided by the customer |
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 I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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| @Mellowman - Welcome to the boards. Microchamber paper definitely has its advantages and I use it myself with some GA and SA books that I store in Mylites and Fullbacks. As you can see from the comments, its use in slabbed comics is somewhat controversial. CBCS has never used it. Since their slabs “breathe” any off-gassing is released, not trapped. CGC has used it with “vintage” comics, and originally recommended that it be replaced every 7-10 years (after it has stopped absorbing gases). You can probably find numerous threads about in on the CGC boards. I see its advantages with certain books, but would prefer that I be able to remove and replace it - so I’d like it to not be sealed inside a book inside a slab. By the way, CGC slabs are not air or water-tight, so they must be”breathe” too. PS - I have used CBCS raw grade for treasury-sized books (there is no other company that grades them), and believe that I only own one raw graded comic (I bought it that way). I have also used clear backing boards on comics with wrap-around covers. I think thet would be a great improvement if used with raw graded comics, and their use has been suggested on these boards in the past. |
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| @HulkSmash you’re killing me. lol | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Headim glad I’m amusing someone. Quote: Originally Posted by Mellowman MCP is not a permanent solution. I’ll admit I’m one the forum clowns. Regardless; you can not ask CBCS (a business with standards ) to defer from their standards. You inquired and they responded. It’s a “give a mouse a cookie” problem. If CBCS (or other grading company) starts deferring from their standards; then what else are they deferring from? Do I ask them to ignore a specific defect to that would grade a 9.4/9.6/9.8 without it? Do I ask them to press a book that they do want to press because it is fragile and worsen? They have to to stand ground with their ethics and processes so everyone get the same treatment and end product. I’m not trolling you. I’m just being real. PS. welcome to the forum. Most of us are good people. For some reason Canada has taken a particular offense to my comments. Maybe a text to tone relation; I haven’t figured it out. |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 It could be a "we don't know what that board is or what it might do to the book so we won't put our name on it" problem. Which I would agree with. |
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| I would love to see CBCS start using clear backers for raw grade. I can’t imagine that the cost difference is really the issue. But I think it’s perfectly reasonable for them to decline to use Customer Supplied materials. It’s just not that easy to disrupt a standard process and accommodate the communication and logistics required for a custom request. All kinds of opportunity for something to go wrong that results in CBCS eating a bunch of rework and shipping costs. Folks will be sending materials that aren’t exactly right-sized for the submissions. Folks will forget to send the backers and ask that orders be put on hold until a second shipment arrives…as if that’s the easiest thing in the world to coordinate. The guy who bags the books will forget that the customer supplied custom backing boards. No good intention goes unpunished. Allowing customers to supply their own materials just opens up too many opportunities for something to go wrong. | ||
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Agree completely with this. Not buying the "we can't do it because we haven't found any cheap enough that still meet our standards" statement. Which implies there are some that do meet their standards, but gost more. So charge more. How much more can a single board cost from cardboard, to clear plastic, to acceptable clear plastic? Got to be under a buck. |
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
I use these and have had no issues. They are less than a buck a piece if you buy in bulk. They also have a thinner, less expensive product (around 50-cents each), but I have not tried it. Here’s a link to their site: clickable text |
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