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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I bought a HOS 92 that came back from the other guys as restored a while ago. I was thinking of sending it to CBCS for restoration removal, cleaning & regrading. I had forgotten (or didn’t realize) that CBCS doesn’t offer a restoration removal service. #soon?  |
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Rafel private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I didn't know you could "un-restore" a restored comic book. | ||
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 To answer your question, no, this is not where the comics go to die.
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MutantMania private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Why would you remove the restoration? Is it that big of a deal? Just curious  |
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Helric1 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If that was mine I would leave it. I've seen some pretty awful looking books with color touch removed. I don't know where the color touch is but considering how dark this cover is, removing the color touch will probably look very obvious. And I think the purple label doesn't look too bad with that book. Just my opinion. | ||
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @MutantMania Personal preference. To me it’s an eyesore. I don’t want a restored book in my personal collection. I don’t care how key it is. I’d get rid of it rather than keep it. Additionally, it cuts the resale value in half. My comics (aside from being a hobby I love) are an investment for my wife. When I pass, they’re for her to sell. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm currently having a book restored. I want the book to look nice, but I would never pay what it would costs to have an unrestored book in the same condition. It was already restored when I bought it, but not very nice. So, I sent it to a guy to rework it a bit. |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Rafel If the restoration is “slight”, a pro locates & scrapes it off. But from what I’ve read, removing anything beyond “B” quality restoration can damage the book further. |
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| Do you know where the restoration is located and how big it might be? I have always thought that if it's just a dot or so, then the grading companies should just call it maker on cover or ink on cover and downgrade accordingly. Ten year old Billy wasn't trying to restore his book when he colored in a spot or two. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MutantMania Technically a restored book can have up to 1/3 or the value of the same book unrestored. depending on the cost, taking off the restoration will raise the value, but that is only IF you can remove all the restoration. Quote: Originally Posted by Rafel yes you can, but sometimes it cannot be completely unrestored or its expensive. there are also times when unrestoring it decreases the grade. that has to be balanced against the value of the book unrestored. there are services out there for it, not a ton, but they are out there. Quote: Originally Posted by 00slim I agree in some respects. Personally I would not mind a restored copy if it is a book for my PC. It's possible I would have it as a place holder until I can find a standard copy of the same book, but who knows....currently I have no restored copies in my collection, but I have chased a few. I don't think some people understand that a restored copy takes a significant hit to its value. I also will be leaving my collection to my wife and kids for them to ultimately sell, and I am aware that a restored copy would carry as little as 1/3 the value of the same book unrestored, but if they are selling my collection, I expect that they will get out of my collection at the very least, what I have into it. Luckily my family will have resources for selling my collection. |
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| I don't understand the comic book community stand on restoration. I watch artwork being restored on TV and it increases the value. It's a real talent these people have and are applauded for it. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I don’t & I couldn’t locate it even with a black light. But the label says “slight color touch”, so, it can’t be more than like (I’m assuming) 1/4”? |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson Eventually, it might change with time. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson It's true....for me...I'm usually fine with Restoration if it's on a goldenage book. The books I've got that have Restoration are all Silverage or newer and they're all C level which I believe means Amateur. A little Professional Restoration on a GA books can be something very cool. |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rafel You can't. You can restore it back to the way it was, though.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rafel yes you can, but sometimes it cannot be completely unrestored or its expensive. there are also times when unrestoring it decreases the grade. that has to be balanced against the value of the book unrestored. there are services out there for it, not a ton, but they are out there. If you "un-restore" doesn't that mean you put it back to the way it was and doesn't that make it look worse than if it was restored? If so what's the point? Plus, does CBCS and other grading companies have a label for un-restored comic books? |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rafel A lot of people, probably most, don't want repairs on books. That's why CGC's purple label has the reputation it does. People would rather have a book in it's genuine condition. Restoration removal is popular, and offered as a service, for a reason. Quote: Originally Posted by Rafel Yes...the label for books with successful restoration removal is the regular blue label. |
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 Hmm... Moderated again!
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
Before unrestoration... After unrestoration (color touch removal)...  |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment A good example, but it should be noted, this is extensive restoration. With just color touch removed, it would have a blue label. |
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
A restored book restored to pre-restoration condition is no longer restored after restoration? WTF Our hobby is quite amusing at times. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by figment That was a waste of money.  That said, I'd love to have it. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash "un-restored" is just "restored"...twice.  |
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| It also depends on what was used to color touch. Ball point pen and acrylic paint can usually be scraped off. Marker has to be cut out and can bleed through several layers. Once removed, it can leave an area that looks like the book has been chewed. | ||
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 Pretty sure the Thing and my wife aren't the same height.
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| Color touch on cover is such a dumb reason for a restored grade. If a child colors the eyes of a character on the cover is that restoration when the same size dot of ink on the spine is considered restoration? If someone writes on a comic the grade drops but if an artist draws all over the cover it does not affect the grade. Makes no sense at all. Like DrWatson said, just notate the issue and drop the grade accordingly. |
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southerncross private msg quote post Address this user | |
 If that's some of the color touch on the cover, removing it and if there's bleed they will be a nasty process. I'd suggest buying a unrestored copy then selling your copy to help regain the funds. I personally don't mind color touch on keys that make them cheaper. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross Good catch. I was scanning the outer edges for the most part. If that area were scratched away, it would be ugly, even without bleed through. |
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Hmm... Moderated again!
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I'm $1200 into this book, I'll live. |
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Please continue to ignore anything I post.
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Quote:Originally Posted by figment For that money you'd come out on top if you sold that today, nice pickup  |
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @00slim good luck! If you decide to unload it down the road; I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy’s sister’s best friend’s cousin who would to have it if he could afford it. |
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| I had a closer look at the scan of the book on CGC and that is a very nice restored issue! I would not do a thing with it if it is for your personal collection. I similarly have a restored HoS 92 4.0 with light color touch, which I also considered, when I first picked it up, whether it was worth seeing if the restoration could be removed. It had a few creases in the cover that looked like they had been touched up, but still overall it looked really nice to me. After doing the research and reading about color touch removal, it ultimately seemed like a futile thing to do. It likely would have damaged the comic even more and would not get it into a better shape. At the grade it currently is at, the best case scenario would not add any significant value to the book. It might be a different story if it was a lightly restored 8.0, not a 4.0. I am happy with my restored copy. It certainly looks better than unrestored books at lower grades and it did not cost me beyond the limit I was going to pay for a book in my collection. As long as it makes you happy and the restoration does not detract from your joy of owning it, it's all good! I definitely agree with southerncross's sentiment that it is nice to be able to pick up restored keys at a discount. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson it was not a waste of money for him, and since it was his book, and since he paid the bill, that is really all that matters. If he is happy with it, let's be happy for him. But I get and respect your not a fan. That said, I'd love to have it, in purple or blue |
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