Reholder20717
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dartelum private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would like to upgrade this to a new case. https://www.cbcscomics.com/grading-notes/17-2CD385E-005 Unfortunately with all the reholder issues lately especially CGC I don't know the process CBCS uses now. Obviously I would like to retain the 9.9 as its probably the only 9.9 newsstand 145 that exists. Anyone reholder anything recently and maybe could provide insight? |
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GT_Turbo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What’s the desired outcome from the reholder? I ask as it may have some bearing on the answer to your question. Very cool book by the way! |
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dartelum private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The desired outcome is a 9.9 in the new case design. I guess I like shiny gold things. | ||
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Leave it well enough alone. There's nothing wrong with the case it is in now. Why risk an outcome that will end in tears? | ||
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dartelum private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So you are saying the new process involves a regrade? | ||
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GT_Turbo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| With a 9.9 on a book like that you’re really risking it! I wouldn’t do it personally, a 9.8, sure, if you really want to. Chances are you could pick up another if it all went wrong. With a 9.9 that ain’t happening! I guess it depends on your risk tolerance and just how much you want that one case! Unless someone can confirm no regrade. From what I understand, the potential for damage when cracking necessitates the regrade. Someone else can probably clarify that though. |
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 Apparently, I am easily annoyed.
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Rbolton private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would not re-holder a 9.9 if you are wanting to retain that grade. | ||
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DoorCntyComicColl private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Rbolton Agree 100%.. Re-holdering any book comes with a risk of damaging the book. I found this link on the CBCS forum that you may find interesting... https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/2640/page/1/re-holder-or-re-slab/ |
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 I like bean sprouts.
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James42 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Don't. | ||
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 I blame the forum gremlins.
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figment private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Don't. It won't go up and only might stay the same. | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would honestly leave it unless the case is damaged. I think CBCS would only regrade if they feel the condition doesn’t meet the grade, they believe it’s been tampered with or if the case is damaged. If the latter; retaining the grade would be a moot point. I would expect them regrade for any potential “loss” related to the case damage. | ||
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 Miss Chanandler Bong
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jake private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Leave it alone! Sweet Christmas!! | ||
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cesidio private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm in the leave it alone camp | ||
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GanaSoth private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Leave her be.... | ||
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 I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Don't | ||
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dartelum private msg quote post Address this user | |
| According to the Beckett rep I was in contact with, "the book will go through a review before the book is cracked out. If the book is reviewed and it is deemed that the grade would be lower, then we will reach back out to you and inform you as well as give you the option to have the book back in the holder you sent it into us." So it is not so much a risk as it is probably a waste of money to try and get the new case. | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Last time this topic was brought up, I lost my shit and still am reeling from it. So other than saying don't do it, and that I am appalled CBCS re-grades the re-holder, I shall say no more than that. So much for trust in the given grade <cough cough> |
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| All reholders are regraded if damage to the book is noted in relation to the damaged slab... even the cgc does this. It's always been this way. This is not new news. | ||
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dartelum It's both. And as the saying goes, "You don't look a gift horse in the mouth." |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Do it... |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson If damaged - good, makes sense If tampered - good, makes sense But to "review" it; to "assess" it or whatever other weasel words are used to justify regrading - I'm not having it and yea that is new. I don't need that shit in my life and screwing me over |
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Books get damaged inside the slab all the time. It's most commonly referred to as SCS or shaken comic syndrome; corners bend, overhangs get bent on the edges, bindery tears or chips come completely off, and covers detach from staples. If these things are observed on a reholder, then the book is no longer the given grade and deserves to be regarded even if no damage to the slab is present. And again, this is not something new. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think my 1st bullet point said that about damage. Maybe I'm mistaken | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I re-read what you wrote a few times. And yes, you definitely covered damage. It's like the 2nd word. |
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SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If you don't mind getting a lower grade then by all means proceed. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I almost wish the terminology is changed from the euphemistic "Re-holder" to "Re-grade CBCS graded". Y'know - kinda state what you actually do to the book and not mislead your customer base. |
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| They're not automatically regraded. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think I'm in the Twilight Zone. They're graded. They're not regraded. They're regraded only if damage They're checked They're not checked They're re-graded only if tampered They're assessed. They're reviewed They're examined They're inspected Does anyone have the effin policy?? For chrissakes it's like pulling teeth. And then you ask and you get a stupid ass response like "it's alway been this way" What is the effin policy in clear and concise terms? What are the triggers? Is it only damage or tampering? Specifics specifics specifics. I'm tired of weasel words embedded in corporate policies |
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SidTheSquid private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It could be really simple. I think they should just do away with the term reholder. Have it be that if you send your book back in, it gets regraded. And if you send the book in it's old case, there should be a discount on the grading. | ||
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The policy should be: * cases and books inspected for evidence of tampering * cases and books inspected for indications of post-encapsulation damage * in cases of tampering potential / evidence, full re-grade and re-authentication and additional follow-up as needed * In cases where post-encapsulation damage clearly evident based on review, book regraded. There should be no general re-grading as matter of policy - in other words, 9.8 or 9.9 or 9.6 to one grade lower shouldn’t happen except in the rarest od cases. If there was a wayward grader or some process lapse, books with those certs should be “recalled” for regrading with some payment to owners to reflect the difference in FMV between correct vs incorrect grade. If grades increase (if issue was symmetrical) of course no payment owed. The unusual fact pattern in the recent “event” was admittance of “incorrectly“ graded books. Suggests something beyond subjective variance… if they know of the grader, they should know of all books potentially affected. Recall suggestion above is because of the reputation harm of this admittance (if true). Damage issues should be quite clear. The types of damage most encapsulated books are subject to are limited in nature. At least when the case itself is not damaged. It will be impact related. It would also be rare for the damage to drop a high-grade book only one grade increment. Finally, a 10.0 or 9.9 book is inherently subject to damage. Handling for grading itself could cause it. Handling to re-holder could also do so. Not sure if any policy will logically address the 10.0 or 9.9 conundrum. Is it a 10.0 if by opening the case and inner well there is a high probability it won’t retain that grade? Personally, I’d suggest the same policy as above. Buyers of those books should just bear (and realize) the risk… A part of the market I couldn’t care less about… but the implications of a stupid policy on the rest of the market driven by that exception… stupid indeed. |
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