Re-holder, or re-slab?2640
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| When the time comes to submit my more valuable books for a re-holder, I'm thinking of just having then re-slabbed by CBCS. Since CGC books have to be placed in a new slab every 5-7 years, it would probably be cheaper in the long run to pay CBCS once, since I'm holding onto them long term. I have two in particular I'm worried about, a Spidey 129 at 4.5, & a House of Secrets #92 at 8.0. Both of which would probably benefit from pressing. Might as well get them pressed & re-graded by CBCS, instead of re-submitting them to CGC over & over again. Thoughts? Had anyone done this? Any danger of re-grading resulting in a lower grade? |
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
Plenty of danger in CGC missing something the first time. However, if you sub them for press and grade, your chances are very good of holding if not inproving  |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| New CGC slabs don't have the same 7 year reholder requirement. I'd still go with CBCS though. | ||
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Really? Are you sure? I thought the purpose of the reholder was to change the micro chamber paper ever seven years. CGC still uses micro chamber paper don't they? |
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| In my view, there's always a significant risk that books will come back lower if re-graded. Sure, they could come back higher, but you have to weigh the risk of your 4.5 coming back a 4.0 or 3.5 and your 8.0 coming back a 7.0. Even if the same person grades the book again, there are no guarantees. Pressing could certainly maintain if not improve the grade as @shrewbeer suggests, but again, it's a risk. If there's a huge difference in value to you or for the book, you may wish to reconsider. If it's negligible to you, then I would say by all means move forward because the outcome won't be significant one way or the other. |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @jrs The one that's a risk is the House of Secrets #92. 1. It was an Anniversary gift. 2. An 8.0 & higher is hard to find. For some reason, 7.5 is common. Weird how just a .5 difference is so uncommon. The thing is, a 9.0 literally sells for 3x as much. I was hoping with pressing to get it there. But yeah, it may not be worth the risk. |
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CBCS grades are lower than CGC often because CBCS grades more aggressively and accurately. | ||
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Despain Both companies use the same material for the inner wells now. The Slabs are not air tight so the book can off gas without holding in the contaminants. Yes CGC still uses the microchamber paper but they say it's no longer needed to reslab every 7-10 years. |
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Interesting. If it's not necessary for CGC comics to be reholdered, then why continue to use micro chamber paper because micro chamber becomes ineffective after so many years of absorbing the off gassing contaminates? |
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JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Despain Not sure why they still use the micochamber paper. I did e-mail CGC a while back for these answers though as I wanted to hear the answers directly from one of their reps. |
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I heard that they stopped using MCP altogether. | ||
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So, I think I'll re-holder the House of Secrets book with CGC & press/re-slab my Spidey 129 with CBCS. Of the two, I can tell it would press out much nicer than its current grade. | ||
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just opened one of the new cgc Slabs and there's no micro chamber paper inside of the book. Just FYI... | ||
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BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @00slim If you want to show us some photos of the 2 books then maybe we can help more. | ||
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I was thinking about that. I'll post some in a little while. | ||
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
Here are some pics.             |
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I just received an answer to my email question from CGC. They do still use micro chamber paper unless it is a modern comic that was printed on glossy paper. So any older comic with the older type paper would need to be reholdered every 7-10 years. | ||
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Well, that's good to know...You would think information like that would be made public knowledge instead of having to dig for it. | ||
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
@DarthLego True. It should be made public on their site. At least the lady who works there took time to answer my question.   Two gold stars for that. |
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Well I just opened one of there new slabs and there wasn't any micro chamber papers inside of the book. So either the person who told you that didn't know or they forgot to put it my book. So I would really like to know for sure. | ||
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The book I opened was x-factor #6 old book not a new one. Just FYI... | ||
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DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user | |
I'm sure CGC Quality Control is doing its best.   |
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I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet!
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| lol that's funny darth | ||
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What do you guys think, would the Spidey 129 benefit from Pressing? | ||
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head That's a cause for uncertainty for sure. So the slab you opened was one of the latest ones? Here is a screenshot of the email I received:  |
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mattness private msg quote post Address this user | |
Good Grief. I emailed CGC with this same question a couple months ago and I was told that they no longer use Micro-chamber due to the fact that CGC "upgraded" their mylar wells and that it was no longer needed.  |
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
I zoomed in and took a better screenshot. You should be able to read it much better. Sorry, I don't take a lot of screenshots and had to figure it out.  According to the email I received from Erin, they still use micro chamber paper inside non-glossy-paged comics. |
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| There seem to be multiple worlds within the CCG dimension. You just gotta know if you are submitting to Earth1 or Earth2 if you want to know if you get microchamber or not. Its quite simple. | ||
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| when one chooses a reholder at CBCS, do they just put it in a new case and you retain the label or does CBCS print you a new label? | ||
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| New label. My next submission includes all of my rivet labels to re-holder for that very reason. | ||
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