To "Asterisk" or not to "Asterisk"2006
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ZosoRocks private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I know a read a thread that had mentioned this, but cannot find the original, so I'll ask again to the patrons. What exactly does an "asterisk" next to the grade reflect? In the "Grading" section on the site, there is a "check mark" mentioned - that seems to mean "the book looks better" than the grade assigned, but "not much more". Is an "asterisk" a reflection that the book is "just below the grade" assigned? Thanks in advance! |
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| The asterisk on your dashboard means there's a checkmark on the label. They are the same thing, just they use the asterisk on the dashboard instead of the checkmark logo image because it's easier. | ||
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ZosoRocks private msg quote post Address this user | |
 Why don't they just be "liberal" - *smiles* - and just increase the grade? I would guess it is a more "pure" grade with the asterisk. Thanks DL! |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @ZosoRocks It was a few topics below cbcs grade with asterix |
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ZosoRocks private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I think this explains it best....but sort of misleading, if the defect is inside, and the asterisk represents a "better look". One would think a defect is a defect, and although it is not on the cover, it still should be noted and the grade reduced respectively. I wonder if this will change as more people would like an explanation, rather than "guessing" what the reason is. I hope they do. It would eliminate a lot of confusion. Thanks to all! |
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| I prefer the checkmark/asterix to the CVA sticker and qualified labels. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks I think you misunderstood. The interior defect is counted and the grade is reduced. Since the defect is not visible in the slab then the book looks better than an average book of the same grade whose defects are visible on the cover so the book is given the asterisk to note that fact. Take for example this book. The only flaw listed on the notes is a stain on the inside back cover. The grade took a big hit because of that flaw but it is not visible in the slab so it looks better than another 8.5 whose flaws were spine ticks, cover creases, or bends. There is no guessing as you suggested there is.  What you are describing is more akin to CGC's Green Qualified label, which omits a major flaw from the book in the calculation of the grade. In many cases the omitted flaw is an unwitnessed signature but I've seen it extended to other visible flaws like major tears or holes punched in the back cover and the book still recieves a decent grade because that major flaw is not taken into consideration.    |
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ZosoRocks private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Okay....thanks "Dielinfinte". I guess I did. Thanks for clarifying it for me. Cheers! |
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| On the subject of "Asterick's". I understand when a book is better then a 8.0 but not good enough for a 8.5 so why not give it a grade of 8.3? So far all I've ever seen (and maybe that's all they do) 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0 to 9.0, then 9.2, 9.4, 9.6, 9.8, 9.9 and (the very rare) 10. What happened to 9.5?? I'm still learning about grades. | ||
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| Here's a good example of the difference between green qualified and checkmark. CGCs green label is shit. Just a way to appease the masses for more customers making them think their .5 is a 5.5 "qualified"  Yep, when I was new to the slab world I bought a 5.5 qualified (Supes #11). It was missing the centerfold. Had it been graded correctly by CBCS instead of CGC, That book would have been a .5 POOR (with a checkmark lol), NOT a fine. When I came to my senses and realized I had a poor, I found a coverless book to rape the centerfold out of, married it, and CBCS gave me a 4.0 as it was now a complete book with a loose centerfold. |
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| @Rafel Okay so assuming the first part of your question still involves the asterisk, the 8.0 book with an asterisk is an 8.0 because the total number of flaws for the book amount to enough to give it an 8.0. However, the placement of those flaws may be such that the outward appearance of the book looks better than a book that has those exact same flaws but in a more visible location. The first book isn't necessarily "between" grades. Second, the grading scale isn't a 100 point scale as the #.# grade format may suggest. 0.1, 0.3, and 0.5 basically denote degrees of incompleteness. From there the grading scale increases in .5 increments up to 9.0. After 9.0 the grading scale increments in units of 0.2 up to 9.8, then you have the unicorn grades of 9.9 and 10.0 above that. The 9.5 was a marketing ploy CGC employed in partnernship with Wizard Magazine and outside of the limited number of books that came from that partnership, neither CGC nor CBCS use a 9.5 grade. Those 9.5 books aren't considered legitimately graded by many collectors though some still consider them a nice novelty  |
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Rafel private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Thank you very much Dielinfinite!! Great explanation and that's the first (and only) 9.5 I've ever seen. By the way, are you a collector and or a dealer? Thanks again. This really helps. |
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When you look at how the grading system actually breaks down into the letter grades you'll see there is no room for other "in between" grades. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rafel Not only is the 9.5 a rare sight to see....a CGC red label is also..... |
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ZosoRocks private msg quote post Address this user | |
| ...but that actually looks like a transition "Red Label". - different label than the original Red label May I ask what the date was when it was graded? |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The Wizard First books were all done in 2005, I believe, so a little after CGC's red modern label was put out to pasture. I wouldn't put any more significance in the label color than I would in the grade these books got since these book are the result of a deal with Wizard at the time and I'm pretty sure they all got 9.5s. Quote: Originally Posted by Rafel You're welcome! I'm just a collector. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Since a 9.5 is a rare item, does that make it worth more and by how much? |
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| @Rafel I suppose they are relatively rare but there isn't really a ton of demand for them, similar to how CGC's other specialty labels don't command a significant premium over the standard label for the same book, grade, and signature. Wizard First 9.5s have recently sold for anywhere between $15 and $70 but rarely for any significant amount more, and often a bit less than the same book in a Universal 9.4 or 9.6 grade |
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