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| https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/1841/page/2/question-about-my-first-set-of-graded-books/#31 On closer inspection, the last book I got from cbcs is wavy as well. The only complaint I have with BOTH companies is that neither seems to have a case that is as good as a book sealed in a mylite/fullback/toploader. Their only current advantage is thicker plastic. |
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| Watched the Video that was posted above. Very interesting. I'm cbcs all the way now. Has anyone seen anything like that from cbcs at all | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRig I can agree to these points, because I also think the stricter grading will be the game changer for demand....especially if "being liberal" is playing a factor. If the grading isn't actual and can been seen as such, people will begin to take notice more and this will drop their interest in that comoany and the product they offer. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Hmmm...I'll have to look at what I have.....just in case..... They looked fine when I rcbd them. Thanks for the heads up. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks @DarthLego pointed out the second generation case without the inner well that causes the most damage. This one is the 2nd Gen cases:  And this is the third generation case with the inner well like CBCS has:  |
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| Both do have the oily look to them, some are worse than the others. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kaleljll From what I was told by CGC, that translucent seam you see running the length of the book, in the above example, defines that an inner well is present. It is curious that they have gone back to using the more defined well design in your 2nd example. That is something that changed in the last couple of months, eek. The creep engine cases (the cases that warp books) look like this:  Notice the lack of any seam that defines an inner well. |
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| Anyone hear anything new on the defamation suit against CGC? Last I knew it was still ongoing. For those not privy, basically cgc was caught with their pants down intentionally undergrading a competitor restoration companies books and convincing HA not to let them auction them. |
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| @dpiercy So we pretty much have a 4th generation with the newest CGC slabs. CGC Slab Generations for beginners: 1st Generation: #NotBrokeGotFixedAnyway (self explanitory.) 2nd Generation: #CreepEngine (caused damage to books by differential pressure around the slab caused by the lack of an inner well.) 3rd Generation: #FrankenSlab (half assed attempt to fix the problem they still denied even existed.) 4th Generation: #TheNewNewNewSlab (the actual fix to the problem they still deny ever existed.) |
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| @DarthLego - well, I will seek further clarification from CGC. All I know is what I was told. I had a conversation w/CGC reps at a WizardWorld over the summer about how to spot the creep engine cases and was told about the seam that defines/distinguishes the inner well that was being used. I have about 6 books in these cases and nothing bad to report. They are beautiful, sturdy cases (w/no rainbow effect) to be honest. So I'm surprised to see the return of the older inner well. I have a Wonder Woman SS that I just got back and it does have the different well from the books I got back from said convention over the summer. I submit books to both CBCS and CGC, depending on circumstance and convenience. And, yeeesh, noticing the differences today in the inner wells in their cases in the last 6 months has me concerned and seeking clarification again. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Thanks again for more clarity @DarthLego. I was wrong again but I'm okay with that. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRig Okay BR...watched the video...good stuff their. I also wanted to say....how many of those books are yours...you habe some nice stuff. Some additional thoughts that could also be a factor, not to say they are, just thinking out loud. First off - I just checked all of my 8.5 and higher, all in CGC slabs, all but two were initially purchased by myself off the shelf. Four are in new slabs, three in old slabs, one in original "old label" slab. None are showing "waves", but I do notice a couple with the "Mylar" pressing against the inner well, which causes the "crazy circular oily looking" splotches, so I will have to question is this an indicator, to me, that the "air" vacuum or pressure at time of insertion was not regulated evenly or 28th scrutiny. I also thought if the pressure could be related to environment, Where they are stored, what tenp they are stored in, how the are stored - stacked or vertical, or another conditions that could impact these anomalies and "waves". I've owned most of mine for over three years and I don't see any changes yet (except as noted). A couple were received last spring summer, so I'll be mindful of those going forward and then adjusts my thoughts if needed. I can see the "wave" discrepancy and appreciate the link...I did not know this. Although, I did note some characteristics I with the cases and are as follows. Original label slab - no indentioms oat top of inner well like new cases have. - Mylar bagged and the inserted - probably has archival paper inserted - label is old style Old slabs - no new inner well design - does not appear to be Mylar bagged. but does look like the inner well is Mylar lined - archival paper inserted - label is new style on front, but contains old style certification lingo on back New slabs - New well design - Mylar lined, not bagged - probable archival paper - New label, certification removed from label and replace with limited title and issue detailsry, we can see the progression of changes, and they seem to be trying to get it right, but are they "being liberal" here too? Good topic for discyssion overall. So in summ |
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| Summary...good discussion BR. | ||
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| I see that my Daredevil #181 made it into the video at the 6:40 mark. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rafel I'm curious, what restoration was done that they didn't catch? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Helric1 About one inch from the lower front left a piece of the plastic that holds the inner well broke off and sliced into the books first 4 pages. CBCS graded gave it a grade of 7 and when I received it I contacted CBCS. Now my CBCS GRADE 7, 1947 "THE SECRETS BEHIND THE COMICS", signed by STAN LEE is now a GRADE 6.5 by CGC. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego WOW!! Makes me wonder why CGC would continue using those cases and why nobody has gone to the next level and sued for damages to their books. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Rafel So you had those 4 pages repaired in some way? |
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| I still see quite a few "Creep Engine" slabs on auction sites. Take a look for yourselves. I have also noticed that educated collectors must be avoiding them, because several of them have bids lower than you would expect, or sometimes bids lower for them than the same issue in a higher grade in a different slab. Has anyone else noticed this? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley That looked painful. Can you tell us what happened to the comic? Was it re-slabbed by CGC or someone else? Were you able to press out the waves? Inquiring minds want to know. |
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| if you see inner well dimple at comic corners "good case". NO inner well dimple at corner "DO NOT BUY". This is the easiest way to tell creep engine case from all other cases "new or old". |
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo I contacted CGC'scustomer service and they sounded less than enthused. Basically, I was only going to get a free reslab if they determined that their case caused the damage. I was going to send it back, then read on the thread that went poof over there that the books being reslabbed were going back into the same shit slabs. I held off, talked to Joe at CFP and sent it to him to crack, press and send to CBCS. Luckily, it still came back a 9.8. I had actually sent that whole batch from CGC to CFP, then to CBCS. Most grades were the same. Some went up by .2, some went down by .2. The one I was really worried about was my ASM 129. Thankfully, it came back with the same 9.4. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Helric1 Yes, they were repaired by CPRS (Phil is awesome!!) and the book looks great again. But it's now a 6.5 instead of a 7.0 and only Phil, CGC, myself and whom ever reads this post will know it's been restored (because it's not listed on CGC's label). Since it's part of my personal collection I guess that really doesn't matter. |
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| Whoa, more to the story? This came up before I think. So cbcs damages it, offers the cash difference in grade or full fmv, you refuse both bc either option sucks, then get it restored and CGC misses the restoration and blue labels it?! Holy hell what a shitshow of an experience dude! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer I know and it's not over yet. Still trying to get the difference in grades in credit. The best part of it all was CBCS admitted they should have never tried to slab it!! |
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| Just my 2 cents. CBCS has never given me a problem. I don't need a score card to figure out if their holder may damage my comic. And they are good people with a good (some may even say superior) product. | ||
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| CBCS has won for me. Though I prefer the look of the new CGC case (once they brought the well back), CBCS has better service and an integrity CGC doesn't have. | ||
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| I think cbcs is better overall in my opinion. I like the cases better and think they grade better as well! | ||
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| Is there any way to tell which generation slab it is? I have a Harbinger 1 that was slabbed by CGC at 9.4 but I don't remember when. I know it was about 5 - 10 years ago. Would you suggest sending it to CBCS to be regraded and slabbed? | ||
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