A Cautionary tale19083
 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia@EbayMafia - like I said i should have just had CGC re-holder until I was completely comfortable that CBCS wasn’t under-grading. But, due to the age of the encasement and materials, re-holder at the very least was in the comics best interest. A costly error on my part. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| CPR's happen every day. | ||
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SidTheSquid private msg quote post Address this user | |
| CGC grading back in the days of those older labels was loose as hell. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC An exception may be 9.8’s |
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CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator CGC has been known to regrade some re-holder submissions if they deem it appropriate. |
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by SidTheSquid I had always heard the opposite, that it was tighter back in the early days and loosened up later? |
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| Right, those older labels generally tend to the side of being undergraded and often. I consider the older labels still intact a find and if priced fairly grab them up, I never, ever remove them from the slab either. (Because most people I know hold this same idea) | ||
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| I might be unpopular... but I didn't see that as a 9.0 in the first place... | ||
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| Were it my own book I would have stopped at spine slit and left it alone. You have a book graded 9.0 with a spine slit. Old style case too....the only two choices I see are keep it knowing the grade would be lower, or sell it, and get something more accurately graded to your liking. | ||
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia It has always been cyclical, and still is now. |
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I have heard Steve Borock say that countless times. |
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 Why just the women? I like bears.
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| I've never been 100% clear on what the difference is between tight and loose grading. I get what the end result is, but I never really grasped the process between the two. I'll explain: I believe the SS #1 has a blunted lower left corner. Let's say the tight grader is grading the book. Would his opinion be that the severity of the defect is more severe than the loose graders sees it ... thereby having more of an effect on the grade? Or would they both see the severity the same, but one has that severity impacting the grade more (I believe this one would actually register lower on the 'subjective' meter)? Or, and I hope this isn't the case, does one just overlook a minor defect while the other doesn't? (not that the corner defect is minor, but you get what I'm saying) I guess whichever of the three it is, it's a great example of the 'grading is subjective' mantra. Also, it would be super if every comic, from every grading company, explained on paper why the grade was given. I know, it'd raise TATs to an unacceptable level, but without looking at how it would effect other aspects of the process, wouldn't it be great if we had the 'why' right in front of us? |
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| I think we'd have been better off if the heating companies stuck to the alpha system of VG, F, VF, NM etc The numerical system makes that subjectivity worse imho |
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 I like bean sprouts.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Coldbobt It would just break down into something like the numerical scale: NM-, NM, NM+, NM/M, M-, M+, GM-, etc. People love fine gradation. The reason the 10.0 scale works is because there are obvious, apparent differences between a 9.0, 9.2, 9.4, 9.6, etc. The problem is actually quantifying what a specific defect is "worth" in deductions. And you would have that with any particular scale you choose. |
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Coldbobt private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by James42 Yeah you'd have to drop the +/- bits Personally I can't see the dietetics between a 9.6 and 9.8... |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Coldbobt I'm still trying to figure out if this was autocorrect typo or a clever rebuttal of the alpha system. |
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Coldbobt private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia  it was a typo, I'm not that clever! |
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I like bean sprouts.
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| @Coldbobt I have books in multiple 9.x grades, and I can tell the 9.8 books are "better" even in the holders. But could I, personally quantify those differences? Nope. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by James42 For me I can see the difference between 9/9.2/9.4 but 9.6 to 9.8 is a mystery to me |
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| I personally don’t place value (pay) to get a 9.8 vs 9.6. There are definite differences, however, and in the majority of cases a 9.6 resubbed will -not- get a 9.8. Simple asymmetry in the number of grades higher vs lower at that level. A 9.8 resubmitted will possibly drop to a 9.6 but it will depend on how close the book was to “perfection” since the way grading works, 9.9+ is statistically insignificant. Virtually perfect books are typically in the 9.8 bucket. As you go further down grades, correctly graded should not mean with a bias downward. It should mean the grade given by a survey of competently trained people with the same base criteria, would distribute roughly evenly around the grade given. If a given grade is 7.5, you should have half the survey (who don’t select 7.5) choose above and half below. If most people choose higher than 7.5 then the book is “undergraded” - incorrectly graded. I don’t play the game because I personally go for other criteria in determining value - long-term cultural impact, true (issue) scarcity, art, personal interest, etc. A 9.8 vs 9.6 changes nothing for the above. Same as newsstands, price variants or a whole host of market subdivisions that people attach value to (speculative or otherwise). If people want to pay 5x the price to get a 9.8 vs 9.6 on the label, more power to them. I will concede they are different but I won’t pay for that difference. |
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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| I can further sum up on this comic as to what I had as expected outcomes based on the great work that i have come to expect from @SteveRicketts. (Side note, his work on this did not disappoint, amazing!) 9.4 - I thought 0% chance but it is my dream to have this issue in 9.4 or above someday. Frankly, I would have been disappointed if CBCS graded it a 9.4. 9.2 - I thought 10% chance and would have been ecstatic but thought it was a stretch as I saw the corner and spine split. But, it is a square bound spine. Plus the commonality of old cgc labels getting a bump when pressed and regraded gave it a chance. This press definitely improved this comic. 9.0 - I thought 85 - 90% likelihood. I would have been completely satisfied with this and proudly added to my collection as I expected it to look amazing after press and in the new CBCS encasement. 8.5 - I thought 5% chance and would have accepted with thought of ‘it was a risk, but I chose to accept take’. 8.0 or below - thought there was a less than 1% chance and would only have occurred if there was some previously missed torn / missing page or CBCS damaged the comic. As neither of these occurred, I had a WTF moment that I have been stewing on for the past couple of months. With about 5,000 comics graded by CBCS, I don’t believe I had ever complained about a grade. |
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| and thats what they said when they said shopping for a grade....expecting at an 85-90 percent likelihood for a book with that big of spine split to get and be deserving of a 9.0 grade is at least from my experience not only non plausible.....but it comes off rather odd that in the original case, as a 9.0 it was felt it was not on the right page to get the grade, so crack, press, resubmit and when it is honestly graded, have those higher expectations. Flip side, your collection, your books and damn right do what you want and what makes you happy! |
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 I'm a McNugget guzzler.
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Fun for all. Give me a couple months and we should get results. By no mean is this book comparable to the book in discussion but it's a favorite of mine.   |
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 Please continue to ignore anything I post.
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| @HeinzDad nice copy, Mines only a raw 9.0 This book I'd grade as a 9.0 when I was helping a mate with a grading company back in Australia. Just I need glasses nowadays so not 100% sure.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HeinzDad Update: After spending more time with this book grade retention at 9.2 is the goal. Personally I called it an 8.5-9 with not many pressable defects. It'd be great if the grade notes had notes. |
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| Well I had a bad experience myself just recently. I sent my hulk 340 in that was a cgc 8.0 to get pressed and cleaned now it came back a cgc 6.5 SS Todd McFarlane | ||
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| @Scifinator I got a batch of 36 comics and several of those books were seriously undergraded. | ||
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SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Mmanick Pressed by CCS? I wouldn't send books to that horrible pressing service! Ever |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SpiderTimAgreed. |
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Mmanick - Ooof. I can definitely relate. | ||
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