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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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 I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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@Scifinator - So you’re saying I should have CBCS press my copy, but have CGC grade it? Too much time, effort, money, and risk for my taste. But I wouldn’t mind if it was in a nice, new, scuff-free case. Notes: light spine wear & surface wear small creases right front cover breaks color & barely breaks color light creases top left back cover does not break color light edge & corner wear |
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 I like bean sprouts.
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| The split spine would probably take it out of the nines for me. I wonder if it was damaged during the original grading or while in the original holder. | ||
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 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravonot what I’m saying at all I’m saying, watch out tread carefully. If nothing else it looks like CBCS is grading super harsh, which we’ve been seeing a lot of not just me other four members but also CGC is completely erratic. I only sent this one into CGC, because the grade back from CBCS was so heavily under graded. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator This is 100% happening. CGC does not grade higher generally. They do not grade lower, generally. They are, however, all over the effin place. The few months after they hired all those new graders it is, indeed, throwing darts blindfolded. I just accept that playing in this game is going to yield me 33% accuracy, 33% overgrade, and 33% undergraded. It's the price I pay for playing in this game with their rules, their horsesh$t, and their incompetence. |
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I like bean sprouts.
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I thought CBCS' rigorous grading was part of the appeal. This book has an almost invisible crease down the center; when I got it out of a dollar bin it had literally been folded in half. Mr. Perez actually had to unfold it to sign it. Years of storage in a bag and board followed with a gentle press has made it so the crease is near impossible to see in the holder. But it's a 5.0, even though it looks amazing.  This has some awful staining on the upper left corner. The lower corner of the spine is blunted. There is quite a bit of stress to the spine. I probably wouldn't give it an 8.0, but CGC certainly did. So I prefer CBCS grading, even if the number is lower. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Too harsh in grading is just as bad as too lax in grading. Being a harsh grader is not a badge of honor. The idea is to be accurate and consistent. | ||
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 No rust here...
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Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator Thanks for the flashback of all the "Rest Of The Story" stories Paul told us. Was one of my favs to listen to. |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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| On today's episode of Shit Happens; subtitled, Buy the Book, Not the Label. We have a cautionary tale... not to be confused with Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales or Disney's Duck Tales. | ||
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| Harsh or consistent? | ||
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 The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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| Stupid question. This isn't meant as an attack, but I don't get it. You harp on how cbcs is almost always on point. The one time it doesn't fit your narrative you go shopping for grades by sending it to cgc. What if, by chance, cbcs is on point, and you are wrong? Am I the only one that see's this as wrong on more than one level? Maybe I misread the whole post and someone needs to dumb it down for me to understand. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I don't think he's shopping for grades. There is no way that book is a 7.5. It was originally a 9.0. He wanted it in a CBCS case and gave CBCS a chance but they graded that book way too harsh. It's a wrong grade (unless there's some undisclosed damage). So off it goes to CGC. It's a SS1...likely one of his favorite books. He probably wants an accurate grade on it. | ||
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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| @GAC If he wasn't shopping for grades he should have left it in cbcs case or resubmitted to cbcs. Instead he knew cgc would give a more favorable grade. And one that he doesn't necessarily believe in just to pawn off the book. Personally I have no skin in the game but I see that as wildly off from his usual comments about cbcs and cgc. |
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte@Bronte - No no no. This comic is way under-graded 2 - 3 levels undergraded at 7.5. I have plenty of CBCS comics that would regularly grade out at a level under others grading standards and i am fine with that as i have said. The real point here is that especially on valuable comics we should be very cautious for the time being. Even when it comes to the common perception of old CGC labels being upgradable especially with a press. Again, the clean and press on this that CBCS did was fantastic! If i had it to do all over again, i would have had CGC re-holder and wait it out for a reversion back to accurate but strict grading before sending to CBCS. CGC all over the place and CBCS now regularly undergrading, in my opinion, instead of just their normal strict but accurate grading. |
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC@GAC - correct on all points and at 8.5, I can live with the grade but i will be on the lookout for an accurately graded comic in a CBCS encasement. CGC has no place in my collection as I want uniformity. |
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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| Ok. Then if I'm reading this correctly, then don't send squat to cbcs right now because they grade too harsh. If that's tbe case I screwed myself by sending in my bernie book to cbcs =( |
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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| I could be wrong, but it seems that a lot of the complaints about CBCS overly tight grading have come about since Steve left. I could be wrong about the timing, or there could be some workplace culture/dynamics at play here. Maybe new graders trying to earn respect and be viewed a certain way. Maybe a change in culture where it's just safer in the workplace to err on the side of tight grading than the other way around. I've seen plenty of comic guys get caught up in a competition of who can be the pickiest or who can find the most flaws on a book. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| The motto of every grader should be "What is the highest grade I can give and still be correct" | ||
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| @Bronte - probably about a quarter to a third of the comics I received back from CBCS this past year have been on the under side, but close enough for it to be within reason. Many of those are 3-4 figure value range, but I have not squawked once. Until this one. Will I rant on future under-grades? Not likely unless it is several levels below an accurate grade. And for that matter, i would not be happy if I had a CBCS 9.8 graded comic with a half dozen color breaking spine ticks. Thankfully i have never had an over-graded comic from CBCS in the few thousand i have sent them. |
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 I'll probably wake up constipated.
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| Or subjectively acceptable? @GAC but I agree with you. |
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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| So much for sccurate grading. It sounds like mcs. Buy knowing you have a minimum grade but could be pushed higher.... great for buyer but sucks if you ever want to sell. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Personally, I generally have a tolerance of a +/- 1 grade step....so if a book has a grade of 8.0...my tolerance is 7.5 to 8.5. If I believe the book falls within that range, I'm content with the given grade. |
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 I blame the forum gremlins.
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Our good Mr. Borock once told me he always tried to give a book the best grade possible without being wrong. Now I'm not a professional grader, but it seems a sound policy to me. |
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I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Most certainly. |
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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| To me the lesson of the cautionary tale is more general: Don't mess with a 55-year-old book in a 20-year-old case with a 9.0 label on it. | ||
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia@EbayMafia - like I said i should have just had CGC re-holder until I was completely comfortable that CBCS wasn’t under-grading. But, due to the age of the encasement and materials, re-holder at the very least was in the comics best interest. A costly error on my part. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| CPR's happen every day. | ||
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| CGC grading back in the days of those older labels was loose as hell. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC An exception may be 9.8’s |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator CGC has been known to regrade some re-holder submissions if they deem it appropriate. |
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