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Collector 6.46K	6.46K 50AE_DE private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 1. I see white on bottom left corner. 2. There appears to be a blemish/super tiny spine tic near the "And" in the "And Greatest Canadian ...." 3. Top Right corner appears to be pushed inward. If the grading companies want us to believe 9.9 is a valid grade (which I absolutely do not), do a little better than this to convince me. I believe Steve may have been running CGC when that book was graded.
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Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020. 10.86K	10.86K HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 10
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 1. I see white on bottom left corner. 2. There appears to be a blemish/super tiny spine tic near the "And" in the "And Greatest Canadian ...." 3. Top Right corner appears to be pushed inward. If the grading companies want us to believe 9.9 is a valid grade (which I absolutely do not), do a little better than this to convince me. CGC = Certified Giftgrade Company
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Where's his Bat-package? 24.74K	24.74K Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	@HulkSmash CGC = Can't Grade Comics
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	I believe it has been discussed before. I think the 9.9 Hulk 181 received damage in the slab.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I think the 9.9 Hulk 181 received damage in the slab. Ouch! That sucks!
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PLOD 2.6K	2.6K theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by power_struggle55 thats even rarer. I can get newer issues getting the elusive 9.9. but a comic thats 35 years old. even with pressing the comic would have to be near mint 9.9 is Mint...
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	There is one question/observation I have regarding 9.9/10.0 and it has to do with Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. Just kidding, mostly. For books I’ve kept as original owner in pure “collector” condition, I minimize handling. To an extreme. For books purchased ungraded, I verify condition but scrutiny is inverse to apparent condition. Eg if a book looks very high grade, I won’t do a thorough review of its interior. Clearly page turning, even extremely carefully, can cause minute imperfections. So for a 9.9 or 10.0 are these books handled and fully vetted? E.g, all pages flipped… If so, I presume that some (many?) 9.8 books out there were, on submission, 9.9/10.0 and the handling during grading knocked them down. Even taking books out of their protective sleeves could introduce the tiniest imperfections knocking a 10.0 to a 9.8… More an observation than a question but statistically probable given the sheer number of submissions of modern books…
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PLOD 2.6K	2.6K theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	9.9 is a stupid grade anyways. I wish that we'd all do away with it.
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	@theCapraAegagrus I don't agree. Personally, having a 9.9 or 10 is like having a limited edition Ferrari or a Picasso of comic book grades. Anything in the Copper Age (or older) graded 9.9 or 10 is something to show-off and be proud to own especially if the book is an issue from a famous title that is still in production. Just my two sense
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	Quote: Originally Posted by sly @theCapraAegagrus I don't agree. Personally, having a 9.9 or 10 is like having a limited edition Ferrari or a Picasso of comic book grades. Anything in the Copper Age (or older) graded 9.9 or 10 is something to show-off and be proud to own especially if the book is an issue from a famous title that is still in production. Just my two sense Except no-one values the nth condition of a Picasso or Ferrari. Some of the most valuable cars ever sold were tracked, burnt to a crisp and then restored… the horror!!! Picassos are similarly valued and sought for merit and not condition. I’d take most 3.0 grade scarce comics over a 9.9 IH181 every day of the week (at equal market value). Moderns… even less impressive. That said, there is a slice of this hobby for all preferences. I just found the reference to collector cars and artwork a bit off… condition matters to cars but the order of magnitude impact on value is not what it is in comics.
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	@Davethebrave the reference made between cars and comics is a figure-of-speech...at the end of the day, like you said, everyone has their own personal preference. Having that one copy of Hulk 181 in 9.9 vs a key book in 3.0 that's super scarce(same value) I personally would go for the Hulk 181 (9.9)...provided it looks like a true 9.9. There's something about having the single-highest graded copy of a very desirable book with no grade above it that I love.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by sly @theCapraAegagrus I don't agree. Personally, having a 9.9 or 10 is like having a limited edition Ferrari or a Picasso of comic book grades. Anything in the Copper Age (or older) graded 9.9 or 10 is something to show-off and be proud to own especially if the book is an issue from a famous title that is still in production. Just my two sense I think this is an interesting perspective. I have a couple (yes, literally two) 9.9's and I rather enjoy having them. If other people don't, that's fine, too.
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Where's his Bat-package? 24.74K	24.74K Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by sly There's something about having the single-highest graded copy of a very desirable book with no grade above it that I love. Nothing wrong with that!
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	Quote: Originally Posted by OGJackster These are not mine but, here are a few more. I don't care about the 10 grade, I just want that cover! Lady Death + Pinhead = Awesome!
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. 17.92K	17.92K xkonk private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by Davethebrave There is one question/observation I have regarding 9.9/10.0 and it has to do with Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. Just kidding, mostly. For books I’ve kept as original owner in pure “collector” condition, I minimize handling. To an extreme. For books purchased ungraded, I verify condition but scrutiny is inverse to apparent condition. Eg if a book looks very high grade, I won’t do a thorough review of its interior. Clearly page turning, even extremely carefully, can cause minute imperfections. So for a 9.9 or 10.0 are these books handled and fully vetted? E.g, all pages flipped… If so, I presume that some (many?) 9.8 books out there were, on submission, 9.9/10.0 and the handling during grading knocked them down. Even taking books out of their protective sleeves could introduce the tiniest imperfections knocking a 10.0 to a 9.8… More an observation than a question but statistically probable given the sheer number of submissions of modern books… If you're grading the book, you have to grade the book. That includes verifying that all the interior pages are there and undamaged. I don't know that I'd believe that many submitted books were 9.9s until being graded. Nearly every book was already printed, thrown in a box and shipped to wherever it was sold, handled to be bagged and boarded, and shipped again for grading. Taking the leap that a book came off the printer as a 9.9, I think any of those other steps are more likely to cause damage than professional grading. Pulling out the bit about scrutinizing books based on grade, I take the opposite view. If a book is said to be high grade, that's a claim of lack of defects. That means you have to look at all of the book and look at it closely. If someone advertises a book as VG or FN I'm much less likely to look closely (ignoring price) because damage is expected and usually evident.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by xkonk Quote: Originally Posted by Davethebrave There is one question/observation I have regarding 9.9/10.0 and it has to do with Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. Just kidding, mostly. For books I’ve kept as original owner in pure “collector” condition, I minimize handling. To an extreme. For books purchased ungraded, I verify condition but scrutiny is inverse to apparent condition. Eg if a book looks very high grade, I won’t do a thorough review of its interior. Clearly page turning, even extremely carefully, can cause minute imperfections. So for a 9.9 or 10.0 are these books handled and fully vetted? E.g, all pages flipped… If so, I presume that some (many?) 9.8 books out there were, on submission, 9.9/10.0 and the handling during grading knocked them down. Even taking books out of their protective sleeves could introduce the tiniest imperfections knocking a 10.0 to a 9.8… More an observation than a question but statistically probable given the sheer number of submissions of modern books… If you're grading the book, you have to grade the book. That includes verifying that all the interior pages are there and undamaged. I don't know that I'd believe that many submitted books were 9.9s until being graded. Nearly every book was already printed, thrown in a box and shipped to wherever it was sold, handled to be bagged and boarded, and shipped again for grading. Taking the leap that a book came off the printer as a 9.9, I think any of those other steps are more likely to cause damage than professional grading. Pulling out the bit about scrutinizing books based on grade, I take the opposite view. If a book is said to be high grade, that's a claim of lack of defects. That means you have to look at all of the book and look at it closely. If someone advertises a book as VG or FN I'm much less likely to look closely (ignoring price) because damage is expected and usually evident. Note I didn’t reference a claimed grade. I said the apparent grade. If a cover is virtually perfect it’s fair to assume the interior is in great shape too. That would (majority of the time) hold true. To damage the interior of a 9.8 book (unless intentional) would be more difficult than a 7.0 book. Simply handling comics will often take covers down from a 9.8, so of course a 9.8 is unlikely to have interior defects. As for handling books starting as a 9.9 that end up 9.8 again, my guess is that at minimum an equal number of 9.9/10.0 potential books are handled down to 9.8s as there are 9.9/10.0 books in existence.
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. 27.84K	27.84K flanders private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 12
	Here are the 9.9s I own. The Spider-Man looks great around the edges and doesn't have any of those production tears on the corners that you sometimes see in 9.8s.
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	@flanders Those are nice books to have in such high grade! My two are pretty random.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. 17.92K	17.92K xkonk private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Davethebrave Quote: Originally Posted by xkonk Quote: Originally Posted by Davethebrave There is one question/observation I have regarding 9.9/10.0 and it has to do with Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle. Just kidding, mostly. For books I’ve kept as original owner in pure “collector” condition, I minimize handling. To an extreme. For books purchased ungraded, I verify condition but scrutiny is inverse to apparent condition. Eg if a book looks very high grade, I won’t do a thorough review of its interior. Clearly page turning, even extremely carefully, can cause minute imperfections. So for a 9.9 or 10.0 are these books handled and fully vetted? E.g, all pages flipped… If so, I presume that some (many?) 9.8 books out there were, on submission, 9.9/10.0 and the handling during grading knocked them down. Even taking books out of their protective sleeves could introduce the tiniest imperfections knocking a 10.0 to a 9.8… More an observation than a question but statistically probable given the sheer number of submissions of modern books… If you're grading the book, you have to grade the book. That includes verifying that all the interior pages are there and undamaged. I don't know that I'd believe that many submitted books were 9.9s until being graded. Nearly every book was already printed, thrown in a box and shipped to wherever it was sold, handled to be bagged and boarded, and shipped again for grading. Taking the leap that a book came off the printer as a 9.9, I think any of those other steps are more likely to cause damage than professional grading. Pulling out the bit about scrutinizing books based on grade, I take the opposite view. If a book is said to be high grade, that's a claim of lack of defects. That means you have to look at all of the book and look at it closely. If someone advertises a book as VG or FN I'm much less likely to look closely (ignoring price) because damage is expected and usually evident. Note I didn’t reference a claimed grade. I said the apparent grade. If a cover is virtually perfect it’s fair to assume the interior is in great shape too. That would (majority of the time) hold true. To damage the interior of a 9.8 book (unless intentional) would be more difficult than a 7.0 book. Simply handling comics will often take covers down from a 9.8, so of course a 9.8 is unlikely to have interior defects. As for handling books starting as a 9.9 that end up 9.8 again, my guess is that at minimum an equal number of 9.9/10.0 potential books are handled down to 9.8s as there are 9.9/10.0 books in existence. Sure, the interior and cover conditions are correlated. I don't think that impacts what I said at all. If a book is apparently high grade but I want to check that for myself, I have to make sure the whole thing lacks defects. Otherwise you occasionally get things like https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/18147/page/24/cgc-puts-blue-label-on-new-modified-excl/#585
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	Definitely Awesome books my absolute favorite is Spider-Man
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	Of the 6 books I've received back so far I did get one 9.9
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Whynotv2 Quote: Originally Posted by OGJackster These are not mine but, here are a few more. I don't care about the 10 grade, I just want that cover! Lady Death + Pinhead = Awesome! You should see Dan Mendoza's The Ring lenticular from Kannibal Kitty. He does some really cool homage covers to horror and grindhouse movies. There's an animation of it if you scroll way down the kickstarter, but it doesn't do the book justice.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by etapi65 You should see Dan Mendoza's The Ring lenticular from Kannibal Kitty. He does some really cool homage covers to horror and grindhouse movies. There's an animation of it if you scroll way down the kickstarter, but it doesn't do the book justice. Love it! I really like the Planet Terror and the Evil Dead homage covers too! I'm going to poke around his website a bit later and see what's available. Thanks for the headsup!
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.

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Originally Posted by sborock
I know, when I was at CBCS, we really looked over every 9.9 or 10 we were giving a book. Other senior graders would also look over the book as well to make sure no defect was missed

I would hope the same approach is taken for all grades. Making sure a 6.5 didn't have issues that were missed, etc, etc.

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Originally Posted by sborock

It was never a "manufactured" grade at CBCS. Many smaller submitters have got a 9.9 and 10, it's not given out because someone is a regular submitter or a very large submitter, contrary to stories out in our hobby and on social media.

I've never heard these claims but yeah, they sound ridiculous. I've only heard "CBCS gives out 9.9s too easily". To which I'd respond "If a book deserves it, why not give it? The better question is why would CGC not give it?"

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	@Sigur_Ros "I would hope the same approach is taken for all grades. Making sure a 6.5 didn't have issues that were missed, etc, etc." While a few graders look at a single book, a 9.9 or a 10 needs even more eyes on it to make sure they got it correct, as the book will most likely sell for much more than a 9.8 with very little data on most prices for books in those highest of grades. It will also usually show up online at some point and it better really look like that given grade or a grading company will lose the faith of their submitters.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. 4.48K	4.48K Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by sborock @Sigur_Ros "I would hope the same approach is taken for all grades. Making sure a 6.5 didn't have issues that were missed, etc, etc." While a few graders look at a single book, a 9.9 or a 10 needs even more eyes on it to make sure they got it correct, as the book will most likely sell for much more than a 9.8 with very little data on most prices for books in those highest of grades. It will also usually show up online at some point and it better really look like that given grade or a grading company will lose the faith of their submitters. Thanks for responding Steve.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by sly @theCapraAegagrus I don't agree. Personally, having a 9.9 or 10 is like having a limited edition Ferrari or a Picasso of comic book grades. Anything in the Copper Age (or older) graded 9.9 or 10 is something to show-off and be proud to own especially if the book is an issue from a famous title that is still in production. Just my two sense A 10, sure. 9.9 is simply a gimmick grade.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Quote: Originally Posted by sly @theCapraAegagrus I don't agree. Personally, having a 9.9 or 10 is like having a limited edition Ferrari or a Picasso of comic book grades. Anything in the Copper Age (or older) graded 9.9 or 10 is something to show-off and be proud to own especially if the book is an issue from a famous title that is still in production. Just my two sense A 10, sure. 9.9 is simply a gimmick grade. I do not believe that, not after grading over a million comic books. I have no "skin" in the grading game anymore, so I am just telling you how I see it after all these years. Heck, when I started CGC and "they" told me that we would be using 9.9 and 10 grades, I was like "No way!" as the highest I ever grade anything, mostly pedigrees, I never graded a comic above NM+ (No numbers, just nomenclature back then) and took me a few years, but I can really tell the difference these days between a true 9.9 and a 10 or 9.8
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 56.1K	56.1K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Quote: Originally Posted by sly @theCapraAegagrus I don't agree. Personally, having a 9.9 or 10 is like having a limited edition Ferrari or a Picasso of comic book grades. Anything in the Copper Age (or older) graded 9.9 or 10 is something to show-off and be proud to own especially if the book is an issue from a famous title that is still in production. Just my two sense A 10, sure. 9.9 is simply a gimmick grade. I like graded books. That said, I truly believe that ALL encapsulated books with a number are gimmicks. There's too much deviation between books of the same grade. The entire system was designed to monetize comic books and make them more liquid.
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