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Neurosis138 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| How long until the 14 business day turnaround increases? My guess is 3 weeks. | ||
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 I called CGC about the giveback benefit.
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beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator any idea what the days are then for members and dealers |
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beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator if they are counting saturday and sundays this would knock down the times by 8 days a month |
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by beastboy1980 This is not correct. Days are business days. At the bottom of this page https://www.cbcscomics.com/estimated-turnaround-times It says *Turnaround time shown above is in business days when the CBCS facility is open. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Scifinator I've been noticing that they have been working weekends for a while now. I've seen progress on a couple of my own submissions that happened on the weekend. Maybe they really are basing this on a 7-day work week. |
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| Does anyone know why there is there is a 4k FMV max on the "slab only" service? | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| @Kinzebac not sure. I don't know why there's a max on witnessed signature either. | ||
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Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @xkonk Thanks. Yeah, the FMV on witnessed signature seems bizarre as well. And does anyone even know what the "slab only" books will look like? I can't find an example anywhere. | ||
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Kinzebacthe same as graded. Same slab and label with only book info on the label. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kinzebac Saw an older post with the red label: https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/11821/page/1/re-introducing-cbcs-slab-only-option/ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kinzebac Posts 12 and 13 describe it. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kinzebac Here's examples of slab only.   |
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate it!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk didn't notice that before - yeah that's odd - should be your choice to ruin a $4k+ book or not!! so... 4k+ need to go to CGC to have a witnessed signature $5k+ to $13,333 need to go to CGC for cheaper and faster TAT's at every service level actually now that I look - pressing and grading at CGC is now faster and cheaper than CBCS (their fast track vs express options)..as much as I hate the CGC staff at conventions and the risk of newton rings $$$ is a big motivator - might be sending in books there Wonder if I can get CGC to ship straight to MCS?? PC might stay with CBCS and certainly VSP - everything else is now a serious consideration - need to build a price calculator in excel with levels, add-ons and tiers to really see how it plays out 1yr + for prior fast pass and now crickets from reps and service and basically forced to use express etc. if you want books back quicker than 2 years really starts to make CBCS not a great choice when it comes to cost and time. Hey - FYI Elephants take 645 days to gestate (longest mammal gestation period) and that's still 3 months faster than CBCS |
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics Assuming I copied everything in correctly, here's a shot. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OhtLsGsLKmJKBprl8CURKbz4PTjm-5IxwrKytSNQYn8/edit?usp=sharing The top part of the spreadsheet is if you send a book as cheap as possible. Standard across the board for CBCS, no fast tracking for CGC. The bottom half I took a CGC tier and tried to pick a CBCS option that would roughly match the CGC TAT. This was depressing to put together. I made a similar spreadsheet just a few weeks ago and CBCS was cheaper and/or faster at every book level (at least going by listed TATs). There was a special sweet spot for modern fancy books like Edge of Spider-Verse 2 where you could send it 2-Day Modern versus CGC's Standard. Notably cheaper and faster with CBCS. Now CBCS is cheaper but you can wait forever, or prices are basically comparable on grading but they are way pricier and slower on pressing. |
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| @xkonk yours looks much nicer than mine!! I just ran a test though - for 5 moderns and 5 vintage below $400 and not 2001+ all with fast option (not fast + at CBCS just normal Express) 5 Modern CGC = 345 and 219 CBCS = 425 and 714 5 Pre 1975 CGC = 475 and 257 CBCS = 700 and 714 say all 10 were over 400 but under 1000 then and same 5/5 split CGC = 1500 and 95 days!! CBCS = 1125 and 714 days!!!! To get CBCS to 101 days you need Express + but that brings you to $1750 I think I missed added press screen to the CGC #'s need to check the formulas - but it's pretty clear - crystal clear - that CGC is cheaper and faster Already did this for 5k+ books and same scenario. Not looking good for my future at CBCS.......in any tier |
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| Looks like the raw grade price went up $5, though still no info on TAT for it. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics I hate Cgc but I might have to start using them. I’m not happy about any of this. Come on CBCS you can do better than this. |
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| Price increases were expected. Some of these other changes that hit at the same time though, seunnecessary. If @KatKomics breakdown is right, people in Canada would be insane to submit to CBCS. | ||
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head While the numbers above appear accurate, they also paint a worst case scenario - mostly a result of the very long TAT's for CBCS in house pressing. A lot of people submit for grade only - either because they do not not want pressed books or they get pressing done somewhere else. While I have submissions go to CBCS in all the different tiers, my clients (and myself) heavily favored the 2Day modern and Quickstream. The dealer prices on those tiers were $41/$2000 FMV limit and $47 $1150 FMV limit. The new replacements for those "most used" tiers is Modern Express at $34/$1000 FMV and $51/$1000 FMV So this comes to a $7 price DECREASE on what was the 2Day modern and a $4 INCREASE on what was the Quickstream. And the TAT's are maybe a week slower on the modern (14 business days vs two weeks) and two weeks faster on the pre 1975 tier. And finally the FMV is less. So maybe a few books get bumped. I don't believe many and I'm certain clients will want to send in at the tiers I'm speaking of and let CBCS bump if they wish. So really, this is not a bad thing at all. Price decrease on what was the 2 day, small price increase on the Quickstream but you get two weeks faster service. And did we mention it is GUARANTEED service? They meet the deadline or it's free.... These tiers will continue to be very popular with my clients and myself because they are a great value compared to CGC. 14 day TAT's? You are talking $110 Dealer price for 22 days. So there is a ton of value in what I would maintain are CBCS's best tiers. Because CBCS has always offered the FAR better value for those that will pay a little more for a lot faster. |
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| @KatKomics Yes, CGC will ship MCS, ComicLink, Heritage, etc. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics sorry - formula erroritalic text  CBCS 5 Modern 425 and 233 days CBCS 5 Vintage 700 and 253 so more expensive and similar TATs all 10 over $400 and under $1k with 5/5 split CBCS = 1125 and 253 days so cheaper but somewhere between 2 and 4 times longer to get to 101 days it becomes more expensive so summary??? Have books with FMV under $400 - probably cheaper to use CGC faster and cheaper than CBCS even without fast/express Books over $400 but under $1000 - CBCS much cheaper but waaaay longer $80 vs $150 per book with a press try to get close to CGCs TATs then $195 vs $150 - so if you are willing to wait CBCS is the place Books over 5k to $13,333 - cheaper at CGC |
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Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan Very VERY much in agreement. I like the savings on what was the 2-Day tier and I'll deal with the small bump (not unexpected) to the new equivalent of Quickstream. I can see some disappointment for folks with high-end collections because some of the thresholds for certain tiers have dropped, just as @IronMan said, which means that more books will get bumped to a higher tier. This is not an issue, however, for folks with smaller collections or are just starting out. My collection isn't super-high-end, but it's pretty good-sized and yet I still have A LOT of Modern books to send in with a 9.6 or 9.8 minimum, so I'll just keep on doing it. Bummer to have the lowest tier increase from $16 to $20, but again, it's not like I wasn't expecting that. Also, I'm fine with getting some books done For FREE if they don't get back to me by the deadline! I'll be testing that in the near future.  |
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Do these shipping rates seem normal? Or is feedex overcharging?  |
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| @flanders not sure..but probably?? my industry there are some wines/juice where freight and surcharges are now almost or more expensive than the product itself....purchasers are seriously looking at buying more expensive bulk but landed costs are less if they can ship from a cheaper country | ||
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| @flanders @KatKomics The shipping rates seem normal enough - they are close to CGC's FedEx shipping rates and similar to CBCS's old shipping rates. The main difference here is - and it's substantial - is that insurance is an extra cost. A LOT extra on higher value packages. CBCS also no longer offers the option to ship by USPS Registered mail. The Gold standard in shipping. An option offered - and mostly used - by CGC. By the time a package gets to around 5K it would be cheaper to use Registered mail versus FedEx and CBCS's insurance. This is also not a cut and dry situation. There are going to be winners and losers here. Some people - like myself and many others - have private shipping insurance. CBCS's FedEx shipping rates previously included insurance. Coverage I and many others did not need and would have opted out of paying for - if such option existed. And now it does. But if you don't have private shipping insurance and your package coming back to you is $5k or more, you'd be better off if CBCS still offered Registered Mail shipping. I decided to mock up another submission (I have a dealer account) just to test the shipping and some other things that came to mind. Here is what I've learned. I did four books One Modern Express valued at $1000 ($34) One Premium Express valued at $5000 ($340) One Premium Express valued at $50,000 (also $340 LOL. It was also $340 at $100K, 250K) One Vintage Plus Express valued at $4500 ($85) Shipping - without insurance - is $30. If I wanted insurance it would be $732 more. OUCH!. $732 would pay for your private insurance for a year - probably with change left over.... I don't know how to politely say the fact that a $5000 book costs the same as $50,000 book (or a million dollar book) is just crazy. At least from a financial standpoint. That $50,000 book with a dealer discount on grading at CGC is $1,275. So IDK. This is either a goof - or CBCS wants to get some high dollar books into CBCS slabs and on the market. For example, the population report indicates they have yet to grade an Action 1. Maybe Beckett believes they need some BIG books - the HUGE books - to get respect. So if that is the case I'm all for it. I WANT CBCS to be either #1 or a #2 just milliseconds behind. But meanwhile, I am sending my $5K book to CGC for $127.50, thank you. Alternately CBCS could have accomplished the goal of attracting huge books by keeping 1 day at 3% of FMV but capping the maximum price at $$500 - $1000, saving the owners of high dollar books thousands of dollars over CGC prices. Not by expecting those of us with measly $5-10K books to pay the same price as the million dollar club members for grading. In the past, Grade screen was ONLY available on Modern, Expanded and Consumer tiers - with or without Fast Pass. Not available on 2-Day Modern, Quickstream, Rapid and 1 Day. Every tier I tested allowed grade screening. Including the $50,000 book (an ASM 1 at 9.8 LOL) Maybe this is an oversight, but if it is not it is a really, REALLY great benefit to be able to grade screen at the higher value and much faster TAT tiers. I've told a few clients over the years that they had to choose between 2Day modern speed and Modern Fast Pass grade screen. They could not have both. Now they can. Unless this is a goof to be fixed. BTW, for those that might be unaware grade screening is also only available on the cheap tiers/slow tiers at CGC as well. I believe this covers what I learned from this test run. I have several submissions to CBCS in the wings, but because of all the changes I have to reconfirm what clients want to use/do. Then I can run some real submissions. |
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| Please correct me if I am wrong. Modern price for a slow submission went from $16 to $22 with membership. Modern express is $36 with membership. Membership is a now one tier of $200 per year to get that 10% but no additional coupons or grading credits? I just want to clarify as my membership is up soon and will most likely just let it lapse as it appears that I would have to send 50 express books a year to break even on the membership cost? Non member price is $40-$36 for member. 50x4=200 |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by NeedaNewName Based on the info we've been given, that seems correct. What I haven't read yet is what happens for those of us with current memberships w/ coupons remaining... for services that no longer exist. Been a very strange rollout. |
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beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| does anyone know the current turn around times for paid members | ||
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| @flanders and @IronMan - I mentioned the ridiculous increase in shipping costs in Post 77. The invoice for the order I filled out before the new pricing (5 SA books valued over $400 each) listed shipping and insurance costs at $35. The new pricing lowers the shipping cost to $30, but then adds a $48 insurance cost to that! So that “extra” $5 jumped up to an extra $48, or an increase of $43 FOR 5 comics! That’s an increase of almost $15 PER COMIC! So now shipping and insurance per book will cost more than it used to cost to grade a post-1975 comic book! These insurance costs cannot be correct. Shouldn’t CBCS’s insurance policy cover all comics not only in their possession, but until they get returned? I am pretty sure that a few members that have purchased private insurance policies for their collections have stated that their insurance also covers their books while they are in transit. Please correct me if I am wrong. So shouldn’t CBCS’s commercial policy do the same? | ||
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