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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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It would be disastrous if COA's are considered "witnessed signatures".

Where did the idea of a COA come from? I didn't see one mentioned in the original post.
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@DrWatson

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@CaptainCanuck - Not necessarily, may have had a COA with it when it was sent in.
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Silly Scifinator, COAs are for Dynamic Forces.
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@CaptainCanuck - Not necessarily, may have had a COA with it when it was sent in.
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Yes, when you submit for signature verification you enter what you know about the signing. That would include place and date. So that's where the information would have come from on the error label.
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@EbayMafia No, you just enter the signer’s name. There’s no place on the order form to add date, location, or other information for verified signatures.

If it was submitted on a paper form they could’ve mistakenly added that information where it was meant for witnessed signatures but it is not SOP to submit or for CBCS to request any additional information for a verified signature
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@comixoasis - as @Byrdibyrd said, that is a freakin' lovely copy. If it were mine, I would send in for re-holder into the New Sonicweld encasement and the new yellow VSP label as to me, the Yellow label mates up better with that particular cover.

Cheers to you and that comic!


With all due respect, I would never let that book out of my sight - ever!
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Isn't 2018 when CBCS allowed some of their customers be their own witness at shows? Could it be possible the book was sent in during that time when they allowed certain submitters to be their own witness which is why it received a "witnessed" label, and then maybe got changed back to a red label after all the shit CBCS received regarding that fiasco?

https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/4168/page/1/artist-signature-exceptions/

Here is a quote from the signature director from the thread, "CBCS tries to help as many customers with witnessing their signatures, that if their wait for getting a witness seems to exceed 20 minutes, and IF they want to witness their own books, we will give them the option of being a witness themselves, AFTER asking them a series of questions."
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@dielinfinite I just checked the online order and you are correct. I haven't submitted a verification in a few years but I have a distinct memory of having fields where you could enter place and date of signature. Either it was there in the past or my memory is faulty.
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@50AE_DE CBCS always has and still does allow users to self-witness books if they are authorized as a witness beforehand. While there have been small flare ups here and there, I don’t recall any sort of major blowback to CBCS regarding the practice. Authorizing users on-site is/was apparently a thing though it didn’t seem particularly widespread.

2018 is the year CBCS modified the program by splitting AWs into two tiers and adding additional restrictions but overall it wasn’t a dramatic change for small volume, non-commercial submitters

One possibility, though I find it highly unlikely that I’m loathe to even suggest it, would’ve been that the signature was witnessed (two days before Thanksgiving???) and the witness sat on it for nearly 4 years before trying to submit it, at which point it was rejected for having waited so long and had to go the VSP route instead but some remnant of the original submission persisted resulting in the incorrect label.

I still haven’t seen anything convincing me it was anything more than a wrong label applied to a book.



@EbayMafia Witnessed Signatures used to list the date and location the book was signed but that was removed when the rivet labels were done away with.

I think your memory might be combining that with the verification service
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@dielinfinite I agree that they probably put on the wrong label.
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And the date? Totally random?
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And the date? Totally random?

And the horse? Totally dead?
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors. chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
Let's just check Stan's appointment book to see where he was that day.
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And the date? Totally random?

And the horse? Totally dead?

Not even close. Easily giving up like this can be attributed to the advent of participation trophies.
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Let's just check Stan's appointment book to see where he was that day.

Stan did not make any major convention appearances on that date.

Stan Lee - Convention Guest Appearances
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Easily giving up like this can be attributed to the advent of participation trophies.


I never got one of those. I refused to participate.
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Not even close. Easily giving up like this can be attributed to the advent of participation trophies.


Sometimes its quite the opposite. Sometimes the participation trophy means that you didn't quit...even under shitty circumstances. It's actually easier for a kid to be on a team that's been stacked to win championships than it is to be on a team that's doomed from the start.
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Sometimes the participation trophy means that you didn't quit.

@DrWatson quit, but I still think he deserves a participation trophy.
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Easily giving up like this can be attributed to the advent of participation trophies.


I never got one of those. I refused to participate.

Well, you participated in this thread. That’s all that matters.
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I don’t think CBCS honors or refers to those.
@CaptainCanuck agreed, hence my reference that the yellow may have been an error that quality control (QC) recognized and corrected from witnessed to VSP.
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@EbayMafia No, you just enter the signer’s name. There’s no place on the order form to add date, location, or other information for verified signatures.

If it was submitted on a paper form they could’ve mistakenly added that information where it was meant for witnessed signatures but it is not SOP to submit or for CBCS to request any additional information for a verified signature
@dielinfinite - with respect, @EbayMadia is correct. yes, you can type in the info when submitting into the who signed box. Further, one can hand write note & such.

And for all another way the “random” may have been errantly referenced (besides coming from COA) is if someone submitted a pgx or halo encased witnessed comic as CBCS would not recognize those and it would thus be a VSP. I could be wrong, but I believe there was a period that even cgc witnessed were not recognized by CBCS.

Bottom line, looks like photo taken before QC csught the error, relabeled and reslabbed to the correct VSP label and didn’t reshoot the photo.
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@EbayMafia No, you just enter the signer’s name. There’s no place on the order form to add date, location, or other information for verified signatures.

If it was submitted on a paper form they could’ve mistakenly added that information where it was meant for witnessed signatures but it is not SOP to submit or for CBCS to request any additional information for a verified signature


@dielinfinite - with respect, @EbayMadia is correct. yes, you can type in the info when submitting into the who signed box. Further, one can hand write note & such.


What I said was that there is no place on the order form, as in there is no designated place on the order form where they are asking for that information. Yes you can write anything you want in the box but that box is designated just for the signer’s name it is not SOP to provide or for CBCS to request additional information.
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@dielinfinite - I agree, no designated place, not SOP and nor do they request it.
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