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Thoughts on the new “Chinatown” pedigree.12983

Collector CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user
This new pedigree has been a major big deal over on the CGC board, mostly because that’s where the books landed for encapsulation. FTR, I support the new pedigree because it checks the right boxes for high grade and relative ease of identification. It isn’t the largest treasure trove of comics, but it is sizable enough and representative of a period that’s often bereft of higher grade books, so it’s a welcome addition.

That said, something about the “Chinatown” designation didn’t seem right and ...I’m embarrassed to say... it took me awhile to figure out why.

Bear in mind that we have a number of high profile pedigrees named after cities like Chicago, San Francisco, Vancouver, Allentown, etc., Chinatown sounds normal, right? But “Chinatown” isn’t one city. Rather it’s an ethnic designation that segregates an area by race and culture. Note: I’m not trying to stir up a firestorm of controversy over this issue. Keep in mind that after all this time there’s still controversy over whether one pedigree should be called Reilly or San Francisco.

So, how do you feel about it? My thoughts are that a better designation might’ve been to name the pedigree after the original collection’s owner, the bookstore that imported the comics to Canada or just call it the Chinese-Canadian pedigree to reflect cultural neutrality. It's probably too late for CGC to revise their pedigree labels, but CBCS wouldn't necessarily have to follow the same pedigree designation as CGC.

What I’m hoping for is an open, honest exchange of views about pedigree branding for a maturing collector market. Perhaps I’m the only person here who sees this kind of pedigree branding as racially insensitive.

Moderator: Please feel free to shut the thread down if this gravitates towards political debate as that was never my intent in starting this discussion.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Forget it Catman, it's Chinatown.

(I have nothing of actual substance to contribute to this discussion.)
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Collector CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user
@xkonk ...Thanks for the input anyway.
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Collector Gaard private msg quote post Address this user
Maybe it's a generational thing, but I just don't get this hoopla...sports team names, school mascots, movies, etc. I just don't get all the butthurt. I have a feeling that a lot of this anger over these kinds of things is faux anger. Maybe if I was younger I'd feel differently, I don't know. All I know for certain is these things have never bothered me, and never will.

To answer your question, change the name or keep the name - I don't care either way.
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Collector CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user
@Gaard ...You're probably younger than me, so any differences in the way we're viewing this probably aren't generational. Then again, maybe I'm just going through my second or third childhood!
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Collector Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user
Personally, I woulda have gone with "Vancouver - Chinatown", but meh. That's where Pat found it, so the name makes sense.
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Personally, I woulda have gone with "Vancouver - Chinatown", but meh. That's where Pat found it, so the name makes sense.


That might've worked a little better given the specificity. I'm curious, do Chinese-Canadians refer to the area where the books were collected as Chinatown?
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
If you don't like the designation, then don't buy any of the books. Not everything is worthy of a crusade and not everything deserves a ribbon of recognition.
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Suck it up, buttercup!! KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
Only reason I don't like the Chinatown name is because almost every major city has a 'Chinatown' and when I hear 'Chinatown' even though I'm from Canada I think if the fist one in SanFran!. I've been to SanFran, Vancouver and of course Toronto. Allthough SanFran is older I think Vancouvers is larger but Toronto's is just down the road for me!!

I agree with @Terry88 should have been "Vancouver-Chinatown"
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Collector doog private msg quote post Address this user
We used to be far more segregated than we are now. Don’t think it is necessary to use the old terms, right Washington football team? Could have picked a better designation.
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Collector CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user
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If you don't like the designation, then don't buy any of the books. Not everything is worthy of a crusade and not everything deserves a ribbon of recognition.


From the first paragraph it's clear that I favor the new pedigree, but wondered if any thought went into the decision naming it.

Crusades usually require an army made up of knights willing to go the distance. This is more about noticing something is a little off and pointing it out.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by KatKomics
Only reason I don't like the Chinatown name is because almost every major city has a 'Chinatown' and when I hear 'Chinatown' even though I'm from Canada I think if the fist one in SanFran!. I've been to SanFran, Vancouver and of course Toronto. Allthough SanFran is older I think Vancouvers is larger but Toronto's is just down the road for me!!

I agree with @Terry88 should have been "Vancouver-Chinatown"


There's already a Vancouver pedigree.
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Suck it up, buttercup!! KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by KatKomics
Only reason I don't like the Chinatown name is because almost every major city has a 'Chinatown' and when I hear 'Chinatown' even though I'm from Canada I think if the fist one in SanFran!. I've been to SanFran, Vancouver and of course Toronto. Allthough SanFran is older I think Vancouvers is larger but Toronto's is just down the road for me!!

I agree with @Terry88 should have been "Vancouver-Chinatown"


There's already a Vancouver pedigree.


Vancouver Chinatown also goes by Hong-couver...could use that??
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Collector doog private msg quote post Address this user
I live near Vancouver. Many Canadians nicknamed it Hongcouver due to all the immigration from Hong Kong. Don’t know what the local folks call it, but it is a historical tourist district. Pretty fun town to hang out in, back when Americans were allowed to cross the border
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Thank you sir. May I have another? Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Gaard
Maybe it's a generational thing, but I just don't get this hoopla...sports team names, school mascots, movies, etc. I just don't get all the butthurt. I have a feeling that a lot of this anger over these kinds of things is faux anger. Maybe if I was younger I'd feel differently, I don't know. All I know for certain is these things have never bothered me, and never will.

To answer your question, change the name or keep the name - I don't care either way.

I agree. It's like people are getting pissed because they think they're supposed to.
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Collector CatmanAmerica private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by KatKomics
Only reason I don't like the Chinatown name is because almost every major city has a 'Chinatown' and when I hear 'Chinatown' even though I'm from Canada I think if the fist one in SanFran!. I've been to SanFran, Vancouver and of course Toronto. Allthough SanFran is older I think Vancouvers is larger but Toronto's is just down the road for me!!

I agree with @Terry88 should have been "Vancouver-Chinatown"


There's already a Vancouver pedigree.


There's also Mile High (Edgar Church) which is a separate pedigree from the Denver pedigree. Two different collections coming from the same city can have different designations.

I'm just suggesting that a reasonable argument could be made for third party grading companies reconsidering designations based on cultural sensitivity.

Revising a pedigree should not be a big deal.
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