Puddling PSA12318
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| I know we have quite a few newcomers who have joined our forum and I thought I'd share this as an educational thread and psa. These pictures were shared in the Facebook group, CBCS Comic Collectors Club. I got permission from the original poster to share them. I knew I had seen this a few times but could not remember what it was called, but then a friend who has more knowledge than I have clued me in. Some CGC inner wells (and only CGC inner wells as far as I know) can cause a circular indentation on the back cover. This is called "puddling". It doesn't seem to cause permanent damage and the books can be successfully pressed by a professional presser. The comic pictured here has more damage to the book, and the exact cause is not certain at this time. However, the damage was alleged to not have been there when the book was encapsulated. To be clear, I am only referring to the circular damage on the back cover. The original poster says that half of his collection has these rings to some extent, this one being the most severe. He mentions not wanting to open all 40 slabs, so I'm not sure if he has 40 total slabs or 40 damaged slabs. Regardless, puddling seems to be a problem for the last 15 years or so. I don't know if anyone knows the exact cause of this, but it is theorized it is caused by the process of encapsulating the comic. The damage is done by the inner well of the case. I'm not an expert on this, so if I am wrong on some point, I apologize. If you have experienced this or know more about it, please contribute to this thread. Like I stated, I want this to be educational and perhaps like a psa for comic collectors.     |
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crystalphoto private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Jesse, you got my curiosity up... any more photos? | ||
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Yes I have a cgc book I bought with the same thing on the back. Also a buddy of mine also had one but he had it regraded by CBCS. His had actually turn dark gray in color almost like it was cause from heat or something but no damage to the case. It was a CGC 9.6 came back after press a 9.4. So I’d say it had a little damage from it. | ||
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HulkSmash private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Interesting. Thanks @Jesse_O I feel that the value of CBCS slabs has just increased  |
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CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user | |
| . Dang! That ain’t good. Looks like an older label. I wonder if it’s been remedied on the newer slabs. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| so..did they solve the cosmetic issue of newton rings by introducing a potentially book damaging issue with puddling?? I was just thinking of sending some books to them....oh well...back in the box they go |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
I thought sticking to older CGC slabs would mean more accurate grading. I noticed this a few days ago from a recent purchase but I wasnt sure what the hell it was.    |
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 The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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Bronte private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @KatKomics Apparently this has been an off and on issue from before the oil slicks |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It's been around for years. | ||
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Dog years, even. | ||
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace |
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| Thanks everyone for chiming in, I got busy for a bit. @crystalphoto the link that @Bronte provided shows some excellent examples. @CaptainCanuck apparently not. However, I haven't seen examples of this occuring in the newest generation of CGC cases. I'm thinking that time may play a factor in this. I can't imagine people missing the damage if it came straight from CGC that way. And from my limited research, it is thought to occur as a result of the actual slabbing process and can occur in any style inner well. @KatKomics as it has been stated, this is not new. It has been going on for years. @flanders wow!!! That would suck. If I were you, I'd seriously think about cracking it out and getting it pressed at the very least. If the pictures I shared are any indication, and the theories I've seen are correct, it could get worse with time. |
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Is this the creep engine or something different? | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Different. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I believe it is a manufacturing defect in the inner well. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It comes straight from the cgc that way. Most people don't notice it since it's on the back. | ||
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| It looks like heat induced to me. | ||
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace |
Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson That really does surprise me!! Given the OCD nature of a LOT of collectors, I figured people would just naturally check out the whole slab. I know I do. Maybe I'm more OCD than I realize. LOL However, that is good news. If people look carefully at their CGC submissions, they will be able to tell right away. Also, apparently this is an issue in the new generation cases as well. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So....let me get this straight. CGC is industry leader and the best hands down because they offer...newton rings, puddling, creep engine but hey! hey! look over here we have characters on our lables?? | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics Mercedes Benz and BMW are also very popular and expensive but they are some of the most unreliable vehicles in the market. Good marketing goes a long way. |
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Whew, From the thread title I thought Puddling was going to be some new stupid thing teenagers are doing to hurt themselves on Youtube. | ||
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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Bronte private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller At first I thought it was a rom com (public showing of affection) not horror.... |
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mattness private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If anyone is interested here is an old CBCS forum thread on puddling. https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/2995/page/1/now-this-cgc-case-is-questionable/ | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| @EbaySeller it is; they keep sending perfectly good books to CGC. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| This is actually quite shocking. The "#1" company in grading certainly has a list of issues to fix. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Gonna have to have a closer look at some of my CGC books | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Great now I have to check all my comics for puddling and I don't even own a peeing poodle...yikes | ||
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 He sounds like a vegan who wants real mayonnaise to be vegan friendly.
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Instant_Subtitles private msg quote post Address this user | |
@Jesse_O I'll just add this to my reasons not to use CGC when it comes to my personal collection, alongside how sexy my comics would look in the new CBCS slabs.  But honestly... I'll add this to the other reasons why I try to avoid the need to seek out CGC graded 9.8s. |
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 Beaten by boat oars
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| That's unfortunate. I wonder if puddling is included in the $12.50 I spent to renew my CGC account. | ||
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 CBCS broke up with me over Facebook.
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CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The newer slabs show less issues of puddling. As an FYI this was first reported on at least 7-8 years ago, so it is not new news. Reason I am so sure is I was the one who brought it to the attention of the CGC boards. |
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