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Moulton was a psychologist, and was the man who invented the lie detector...hence wonder woman's truth forcing lasso. He was obsessed with bondage, dominance and the psychology behind it all. Since Mpulton wrote the stories, along with joye, his student from psychology class, there was nothing remotely innuendo or hidden about the imagery and ideals presented, it was right in your face, one after another ….
His inspiration for wonder woman was Olive Byrne, his live in lover, that he and his wife were in a three way relationship with...Olive wore the jangly bracelets, that became the model for wonder woman's own, that deflected bullets....there was another woman also involved but history doesn't tell us much about her role.
As Marston lost his health, Joye began writing the stories herself, or mostly by herself, from about issue 12 through about issue 30...during that time Marston eventually lost his life to polio and cancer. Once he was gone, joye resigned, Kanigher was assigned the character by DC editorial decision and that was the end of the golden age of Diana price.
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Im hoping that 2020 is a better year for me financially so I can do some serious work on my X-Men run. My goal is to end 2020 needing only issues 1-5 which means I have 135 issues to grab this year. I'm also hoping that my GA purchases this year arent limited to no-bid beaters on eBay...
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Two more collected Marvel Mysteries observed from the 2019 rear view...






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More or less sage thoughts from a tumbleweed collector (note: my edited and reposted views from a thread initiated on another third party grading forum).

One thing I overlooked in my earlier rumination on the state of the current market is if you’re determined to put together a run ...as many collectors are prone to do... targeting tougher books early can actually make achieving that goal easier. Locking down tough issues should be the first priority for the run collector, not the last. Before blowing this idea off, allow me to explain my rationale on this.

Buying keys while still relatively affordable ...emphasis on the word relatively... is likely to get you much closer to your target goal at less overall cost than snapping up cheaper books in the run first. Price fluctuations notwithstanding, most common books increase incrementally. Conversely, tougher keys (such as origin stories, first issues, classic covers and scarce books with low census numbers) tend to climb in price disproportionately.

From my perspective, be that as it may, trying to build a GA run should involve more strategizing than acquisition based on specific covers, themes or artists. This seems like an obvious no-brainer approach, although collectors seem easily lulled into convincing themselves that acquiring the low hanging fruit first will eventually get them a shot at the brass ring. But given the way the markets generate prices on high interest books, will it?

I’m left pondering how many run minded collectors within striking distance of their goal have been priced out of the market due to missing the window on a key book. This process should be intuitive, but it isn't and given the stakes it should be food for thought. My observations ...as a collector who invariably tries to avoid focusing on runs... are mainly directed to those moving into GA from other areas of comic collecting. Experienced collectors focusing on runs have probably confronted this dilemma and figured out how to successfully navigate it.
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One thing I overlooked in my earlier rumination on the state of the current market is if you’re determined to put together a run ...as many collectors are prone to do... targeting tougher books early can actually make achieving that goal easier. Locking down tough issues should be the first priority for the run collector, not the last


Great Point! Reminds me of this story:
A teacher put several large rocks in a bucket and asked the class "is the bucket full" They said yes. The teacher then added many pebbles and asked again, the class said yes. The teacher then added sand and asked again is the bucket full? The class said yes. Finally the teacher added water and asked the class what the lesson was. They responded that "there is always room for more". The teacher said "no, the lesson is that if you prioritize the big things first you will still have room for the smaller things." I always remember that when packing a suitcase or car trunk.
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@CatmanAmerica That makes a lot of sense, and is good advice to give to novice collectors, but is a little hard to follow. For myself, when I started collecting instead of solely reading, I knew I wanted an X-Men run. But as a novice collector, am I going to run out and get an X-Men 1? Or even a GSX 1? That's a lot of money for your first purchase, and you don't know much about condition, restoration, etc.

If you're a novice who can get some solid help I think you're 100% right, but if you're doing things mostly on your own it could be hard to start with the tough books.
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@CatmanAmerica That makes a lot of sense, and is good advice to give to novice collectors, but is a little hard to follow. For myself, when I started collecting instead of solely reading, I knew I wanted an X-Men run. But as a novice collector, am I going to run out and get an X-Men 1? Or even a GSX 1? That's a lot of money for your first purchase, and you don't know much about condition, restoration, etc.

If you're a novice who can get some solid help I think you're 100% right, but if you're doing things mostly on your own it could be hard to start with the tough books.


It’s relative though. I think the principle is to grab the tougher key books that are in your price range first.
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Fantasy art acquired through HA last summer, painting by Margaret Brundage...



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Very Erte'ish.
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You think I'm joking, I'm not. earthshaker01 private msg quote post Address this user
Aquirred this extreme mint four color #892 in 2019. Sending in for grading. Should be a 10, but that doesnt happen with books I'll settle for a 9.8.



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Aquirred this extreme mint four color #892 in 2019. Sending in for grading. Should be a 10, but that doesnt happen with books I'll settle for a 9.8.





Gorgeous book! Eager to see what grade you get, bro!
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Aquirred this extreme mint four color #892 in 2019. Sending in for grading. Should be a 10, but that doesnt happen with books I'll settle for a 9.8.





Is that a Rockford pedigree?
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@CatmanAmerica no this is a direct file copy purchased from one of the original buyers of the Dell warehouse sale back in late 70s. Probably been touched my human hands just a few times. It's where I get a lot of my High grade four colors and Dell giants over the years.
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@CatmanAmerica no this is a direct file copy purchased from one of the original buyers of the Dell warehouse sale back in late 70s. Probably been touched my human hands just a few times. It's where I get a lot of my High grade four colors and Dell giants over the years.


Did you get any “Creature” first prints?

I still need a 9.4 or better copy.
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@00slim wolfman and mummy
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@earthshaker01 Wolfman interests me if you eventually decide to sell.
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Aquirred this extreme mint four color #892 in 2019. Sending in for grading. Should be a 10, but that doesnt happen with books I'll settle for a 9.8.





Is that a Rockford pedigree?
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Here is my shitty copy at a lowly 9.4. I have duplicates of many books. Every now and them I pull 20 or 30 out and send in for grading.
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Aquirred this extreme mint four color #892 in 2019. Sending in for grading. Should be a 10, but that doesnt happen with books I'll settle for a 9.8.





Is that a Rockford pedigree?
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Here is my shitty copy at a lowly 9.4. I have duplicates of many books. Every now and them I pull 20 or 30 out and send in for grading.


Still nice!
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More or less sage thoughts from a tumbleweed collector (note: my edited and reposted views from a thread initiated on another third party grading forum).

One thing I overlooked in my earlier rumination on the state of the current market is if you’re determined to put together a run ...as many collectors are prone to do... targeting tougher books early can actually make achieving that goal easier. Locking down tough issues should be the first priority for the run collector, not the last. Before blowing this idea off, allow me to explain my rationale on this.

Buying keys while still relatively affordable ...emphasis on the word relatively... is likely to get you much closer to your target goal at less overall cost than snapping up cheaper books in the run first. Price fluctuations notwithstanding, most common books increase incrementally. Conversely, tougher keys (such as origin stories, first issues, classic covers and scarce books with low census numbers) tend to climb in price disproportionately.

From my perspective, be that as it may, trying to build a GA run should involve more strategizing than acquisition based on specific covers, themes or artists. This seems like an obvious no-brainer approach, although collectors seem easily lulled into convincing themselves that acquiring the low hanging fruit first will eventually get them a shot at the brass ring. But given the way the markets generate prices on high interest books, will it?

I’m left pondering how many run minded collectors within striking distance of their goal have been priced out of the market due to missing the window on a key book. This process should be intuitive, but it isn't and given the stakes it should be food for thought. My observations ...as a collector who invariably tries to avoid focusing on runs... are mainly directed to those moving into GA from other areas of comic collecting. Experienced collectors focusing on runs have probably confronted this dilemma and figured out how to successfully navigate it.
he nailed it here....back in the mid eighties when I was trying to determine how and what to collect, the fanboys coming in the store were all about punisher, wolverine, lobo, etc. the owner kept key or more desirable books up in mylar on the wall behind the register and that was where I bought most of my books. I bought the silver age keys one after another, normally taking the book with arrangeements to make installments ...I often went six or eight weeks without buying a new book or back issue in order to buy only the key issues I wanted.Meantime I watched that wall...as copies of spidey 129 came and went, the wolverine mini, etc.
Looking back at it 35 years later, and todays market, those punisher and wolverine and Lobo books are still very common. There is far more supply than demand and prices while in some cases might be extreme, are doable.
Meantime, good luck buying a hulk 1, a TOS 39 or x-men 1 in a grade higher than 1.0 without some serious budgeting and cash to back it up. Nowdays those books are similar to buying a car or a down payment for a small house....
I remember the day I was looking through a short box the owner had behind the counter...some odds and ends , mostly silver age. I grabbed a TOS 58..I think because the book was the first Jarvis the Avengers butler or something off like that...There were like eight or ten copies of hawkman 4...I grabbed one and it set me back like 3 dollars...to this day I am mad at myself for not emptying that box. I bought my giant size x men off that wall for...56 dollars at the time.
Buy the keys, fill the rest of the run later, for sure
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@CatmanAmerica no this is a direct file copy purchased from one of the original buyers of the Dell warehouse sale back in late 70s. Probably been touched my human hands just a few times. It's where I get a lot of my High grade four colors and Dell giants over the years.


Great looking book & back cover art! Alas, my Rockford Files joker didn't make it into the deck, but Garner was excellent in both roles. Maverick was a superb series, as is the comic.
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@Scifinator True, several of Brundage's covers for Weird Tales have style similarities to Erté (Romain de Tirtoff). There's definitely deco influence present.
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Looking back, another Timely acquired in the Spring of 2019...




My 2020 vision will likely include more Caps!
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I completed my goal of acquiring the Silver Age Marvel keys in 2019!
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I completed my goal of acquiring the Silver Age Marvel keys in 2019!
impressive set by any standards but incomplete without TTA 27 And Daredevil 1..mine.misees AF 15 and avengers 4 from your group. Mine aren't graded.either
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@jeranimal incredible collection!!! Way to go!!!!
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I completed my goal of acquiring the Silver Age Marvel keys in 2019!



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I completed my goal of acquiring the Silver Age Marvel keys in 2019!
impressive set by any standards but incomplete without TTA 27 And Daredevil 1..mine.misees AF 15 and avengers 4 from your group. Mine aren't graded.either


I actually have a Daredevil #1 but I forgot to include it. Guess I need to redo this group shot.

TTA27 has never really been on my radar. Not really sure why but maybe I'll add it to the list for this year.
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Almost forgot, here's one more WWII vintage Cap acquired in 2019...




Collecting-wise it was a pretty darn good year. Looking forward to 2020.
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So in my mission to collect the following: Hulk 102, Doctor Strange 169, Sub-Mariner 1, Iron Man 1, Iron Man & Sub-Mariner 1, Cap 100 and Thor 126. I just notched this beautiful white pages Thor 126 8.5 CBCS. To complete my mission I still need the Cap, Sub-Mariner 1 and Iron Man 1. I'd say doable within 2020. Happy New Years to all. Nuff said...
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One more Timely from 2019, snagged exactly a year ago...




Now it's all 2020, ...and trying to maintain perfect vision!
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@jeranimal Agreed that the DD should be added, but not the TTA 27 IMO. Everything else you had are the mains.
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