Donny Cates on comic piracy article10595
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| I agree with Cates 100%. I've never read a single one of his books (I have heard good things about his writing, though) but I may have to do so. | ||
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| I follow him on twitter, he has been on a rampage over the last 24 hours. On top of all of it morons keep tweeting at him asking shit like “well what about this”, and “what about that” situational questions on piracy. His books are definitely worth a read by the way. | ||
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Towmater private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Sounds like Lars Ulrich and his comments about music piracy. The music business has been a dumpster fire since young people thought it was OK to steal, um sorry, illegally download music. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater The big difference is that there wasn't a great way to buy music digitally during the Napster era. Now music piracy is barely even mentioned because it's so easy to pay a monthly subscription to any of the big companies to access an entire library of music. We're not in the dark ages for digital comics, so the "need" for piracy doesn't exist like it did for music when Ulrich made those comments. Cates is 100% right on this one. |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| I'm with Cates. It's pretty inane for all those folks to jump in like "but what if I don't want you to be paid for your work?" | ||
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Donnied private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What does he mean, they don't have a right to read comics? Just because they can't afford it, that means they don't have a right to steal it, or make other people pay for it? Like health care? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DonniedI don’t think it’s like that at all, the library is mentioned as a viable option to read comics for free. In the realm of music isn’t it free to listen to the radio who rightfully acquired the media? Listen I’m a fan of the internet and tech and all but some “good ole fashioned” ways work still. I half wonder if the people that read comics online paid for or not just want the convenience of a screen? Anyways that’s my “dad” rant, lol. |
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Towmater private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by kon_jelly Stealing is stealing. Both Lars and Cates are on the same page. How you could interpret my post as anything but an agreement with what Cates or Lars stated is beyond me. Again, stealing is stealing. |
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 To answer your question, no, this is not where the comics go to die.
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| I make it a point to not argue and I didn’t succeed in this instance. | ||
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| I think most of these posts are people just getting him fired up. They like the attention. Cates has made his point. He doesn’t need to answer to these weenies. I can say I believe I have never read a comic online. For me it’s not the same...I like to own them. |
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Donnied I think people have lots of rights, probably more than some other people do, but reading comics isn't on the list. Although if you want to count libraries then everyone does indeed pay for it. |
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My first response is basically sarcastic and smart ass. I don't buy new comics. There is very little that I'd even be interested in reading for free. At least from the major publishers. The major publishers obviously don't give a shit about the characters I grew up reading. They reinvent them every few years. Since they don't care, why should I? But Cates needs to not get so worked up and trolls need to not irritate him. His posting on twitter isn't going to make anyone inclined to read new comics bootlegged on the internet stop. I mean really Don Quixote, you run out windmills? As for the trolls, quit poking. You know what you're doing is wrong. So do it quietly. |
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| Stealing is fine....just have to do it on a large enough scale or industrialize it, maybe find a way to privatize a common good/resource. Maybe get large enough that you can change the laws that you took advantage of to "steal" stories and re-tell them but now make it so no one else can do the same with "your" stories...lookin' at you Disney Stealing from individual artists and mom and pop stores/services = wrong Just about everything else is on the table...wait it was on the table a second a go....holly crap where's the table!!!! |
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Then there was this. Comic book store owners complained a bit....  |
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| @IronMan actually had to double check that this was real and not electronic tom foolery!!! | ||
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| My LCS has a full TPB library that I can access for $10 a month. We can go to the public library and access material without paying for it. The creators and publishers only get paid for 1 purchase that goes to multiple readers in both cases. I doubt that the readers would be considered stealing from the creators and publishers perspective? I wonder what would be so different about purchasing 1 comic, scanning it and making it available to readers online? Is it the global reach of the internet that changes things? Not sure I have an established position either way...complicated stuff. | ||
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| @EbaySeller It is indeed the global reach of the internet. It's always been legal to buy a book or a magazine (or a comic magazine) and share it with friends (let them read it) But the law didn't anticipate someone having 10,000 friends. In fact - when comic books had lots of advertisements - comic book publishers made a point of telling potential advertisers about the multiplier of readers versus actual sales. Maybe the comic book sold 250,000 copies a month - but they estimated that every copy sold was read by 5-7 different people. So the reach of one's advertisement was much greater than than actual number of copies sold. Now there isn't much advertising run in comic books. So the advertising revenue is small to non existent. |
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| @EbaySeller The public library is still paid for. Taxes, donations, etc. You just don't pay for any particular thing you check out at the moment you check it out. As opposed to torrenting sites and the like, where you don't pay them anything except for eyeballs on ads. The public library also is more likely to have actual reading habits and whatnot at heart whereas your torrenting site could give two shits about growing comic readership/fandom. | ||
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| I have a friend that is "into comics" but literally refuses to buy any. He's always like "you should read this comic from ..." I'm like, dude, people work hard to create this content. If you like it, buy it; if not piss off. He also only watches pirated movies and who knows what his music library looks like. He "excuse" is that all the money just goes to big executives. I keep trying to tell him, if they don't sell product, they stop giving that person work. Those 27 million downloads of THanos done illegally, if only 5,000 copies sell in store is going to put this dude you love so much out of the comic industry. | ||
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Well, stealing is wrong and that is mostly the end of it. But the entire streaming of copyrighted material goes way beyond comics and itself is a complicated issue, socially and legally. While businesses are clawing for numbers and market share, piracy is often ignored. Microsoft didn't say or do anything about Windows and Word being "loaned" to friends or "borrowed" from work UNTIL they had a near monopoly. Then they started making such piracy much harder. All the video streaming services know a lot of password sharing is going on. But they have only started in the last couple months even hinting at restricting such. Because right now, all of them want big numbers in their viewership. Napster actually lead to some very positive developments in distribution of music and digital media. Services like Apple Music and Spotify grew out of that. These services re giving consumers what they want. Why bother "stealing" music when you can have a library of 50 million songs for $9.99 a month? And it has had the effect of curbing illicit downloads. In some countries by a huge amount. Yes, some artists complain that streaming services don't fairly compensate the actual artists. But that's because most artists don't own the rights to distribute their music. They signed that away to the record label. They signed a lousy contract. That's not the consumer nor the streaming service's fault. The record label gets the money and they pay each artist whatever their contract calls for. Negotiate better. Go independent. If you are big enough start your own label. But 240 million users of Spotify for instance are paying for the music they listen to. Comics might be there someday too. Spotify and Apple Music have licensing agreements with virtually everyone and 50 million song libraries. Comics are not there yet. It's much more fragmented as far as digital distribution. So until publishers reach agreements to have everything available in one place for one (low) price, downloading from torrent sites is going to look a lot more appealing than buying to a lot of people. |
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| Illegal downloads are bad when people are tight to spend a dollar. But I do sympathize with people from foreign countries. An example is the TV show Downtown Abbey In Australia a cable company which costs about 2.5 times to an American cable company sat so long on season 2 of that show and not show it. And fans were unable to buy season 2 on DvD. Season 3 was being aired in England. You can guess the result. Same thing happened with Game of thrones. Which is why Australia is the country with the highest illegal downloads of the series Game of thrones in the world. We live globally these days. And if companies that sell rights to other companies in foreign countries allow them to sit on their products and not release them then they should expect pirating. My 2c |
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| an interesting study had big companies like Microsoft and game Developers make the decision NOT to pursue legal actions on the 18-30 pirates and thieves, citing that after years of use and familiarity those pirates become some of their best paying customers, the demographic 30-60 (for the most part) I suppose it is sort of "you will pay me later mentality" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Arak That actually makes a lot of sense. Like they are future customers in training. They don't have the money for it now, but if you give it to them now for free they will still be hooked when they do have the money down the road. I'm sure it is not much comfort to the individual artist or creator, but certainly makes sense from an industry-wide point of view. I personally think that 18-30 year-olds should take whatever they can get away with. We don't even try to hide that society is forcing young healthy people to purchase health insurance in order to keep health insurance costs more reasonable for older people. This means young people pay an unnecessarily high insurance price in order to subsidize the policies that should be necessarily high. Think about that...we have found a way to literally tax the health of young people and give that money directly to older people. And then we talk about raising the Social Security retirement age...literally stealing years of retirement away from younger people in order to give it to their parents and grandparents. We constantly pass regulations (rent control, liquor licenses, etc) protecting those who already have from from having to compete with the younger generations. At the societal level we justify stealing from young people in ways that we would never consider doing on a individual level. I wonder how those comic artist feel about those thefts? So I say...read all the free comic books you can get kid, my generation and my parents generation have been boxing you in for a long time. |
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| The concept of the government forcing people to buy a product that they don't want is absurd, and unconstitutional. So I agree we all, including young people, are being robbed by the Socialist Party, more commonly called Democrats. I don't agree that this in any way justifies young people stealing from anybody. Maybe if they educated themselves enough to shake off the brainwashing from the liberal elite, and learn the concept of earning money, through actual work, then they can use it to buy the things they want. Nobody is entitled to steal. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Oh, maybe the mods can turn a blind eye or just snip a bit  |
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