my buddy tested pgx cbcs cgc with the same book10362
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| @robertofredrico what do the grader's notes say. On some of these it's hard to believe the book wasn't swapped out. I also remember one post during the last year where an individual submitted multiple comics and it was clear that on two of the comics the grades were swapped (not by the customer). I think someone from CBCS commented that they use short code to enter the information for the labels and that at times typos can occur, assigning an incorrect grade to a book. Unfortunately there was no quality assurance check for this error so it was up to the customer to bring the issue to CBCS's attention. | ||
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| The ASM 194 is probably a real grade. Regarding the ASM 194, Did you have this book graded yourself? I am seriously skeptical about that photo. Either swapped out or photo-shopped. If CBCS grades like that, I have a couple hundred additional books I need to send them. It looks nothing like the reality I've experienced. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo I wouldn't. The spine stress will prevent 9.8 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico Please, there's no way that's a real grade. Either a typo as someone mentioned, or fraud, or just a photoshop as a joke. No one would mistake that for a 9.4. I don't do a lot of mid-grade comics, but I'd say that's a 5.5 or a 6.0. Can anyone make out what the serial number is for the grader notes? I can't quite see it. |
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| I know there is the "9.8 syndrome" going on out there; and I knew the differential was exponential - but this ...... this.... $120 (9.6) vs. $1200 (9.8) is just a bushel of crazy bananas. I find it sad in a way that peeps will just toss away money for a subjective 0.2. I know this is a debate that's gone on over and over and over and over but 10X the value for subjectivity? ... it lends to what metrics, analytics, graphs, presentations, has made our society in all aspects recently; not just comics. Now let me go do my new car search. Thinking of a Nissan Altima over the Toyota Camry. It has a 1.5 Horsepower differential  |
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| The age old question again. Well, age old for a few years now. CBCS for the PC, CGC to sell, blah blah blah. I've seen inconsistent grading from both companies over the last couple years but nothing that is super crazy. I'm not bringing PGX into this because I've not submitted anything to them. I'm better at predicting my grades with CBCS. CGC turned into a crapshoot for me in that regard. I don't have complaints about the services though for either. Little mistakes happen by both. Yeah, a registry and census would be nice but how jacked up does a census get from the CPR side of the hobby? When it comes to selling, I've never had a problem selling a CBCS slab for the same as a CGC one. I don't know if people low ball themselves or what. | ||
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| @Tedsaid Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid The serial number is 7001333-AA-006  |
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| The serial number for the ASM 194 is not what you have there. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Apologies for the confusion. That's not the one I was referring to - I was talking about the ASM 194 9.4 comic. The ASM 11 9.2, I thought that grade was accurate. |
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| I'm a collector and personally, if a book is 9.4 or higher, I'm glad to have it. If it's a signed book that has sentimental value, I'm good with an 8.0 or higher. This 9.8 business just blows me away. Sure, I'd love to have a book graded that high - but no way I'm paying the kind of premiums they are hauling in right now. |
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| As far as the comic in question from the beginning of the post. He said there were no grader notes. No wonder cgc wants people to pay for their grader notes so they can keep everything a secret. | ||
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 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Common courtesy, who'd've thought? I like it! we need more of this. @pre_coder, it's not that you made the statement, it happens but that you realized it could have been said better and you did something about it. that's the cool part. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders while agree the customer should have brought it up, he was probably over the moon with his luck at getting an undeserved grade. or fraud. |
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| Unsure what that grade gets him anyways...the real collectors probably know to buy the comic..not the slab..buy the book, not the grade. I do that all the time...buying comics, regardless the grade on the card. I dont have a good enough sampling of cbcs slabs to say for sure, but I will verify I have a handful of CGC slabs that I wonder how they got the grade they did vs the comic inside. I guess if the guy with the Spidey 194 offered it on ebay and sold at 9.4 price despite its actual grade because of a noob or someone that didn't bother looking at the book it makes sense but even then wouldnt it just keep getting returned? |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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| @Darkseid_of_town Not by a noob |
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Quote:Originally Posted by sportshortI am sorry, Sportshot, what did you mean? Do you know who paid 9.4 price for it? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Sorry for the confusion, I meant, a newbie is counting on the 3rd party to do the grading for him (I believe that’s the point to 3rd party grading) so a noob wouldn’t return it. |
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| that makes sense, thanks for clarifying! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller It's not my book. The owner posted this photo here on the boards earlier this year. It was in January. clickable text |
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Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico Ah, right, that one. @SteveRicketts said they would look into it. I wonder what happened with it. The grader notes sound correct: "spine wear, stress & creases breaks color general cover wear, soiling, foxing & creasing breaks color small tear right front cover breaks color" Hey, @mrelowe, was there any update on that ASM 194 with the wrong grade? |
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| Look at this on eBay https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F174078478496 I've been seeing more crap like this lately. High volume sellers getting comics that are ridiculously overgraded by the CGC. Looks like a 9.0 at best to me. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders At first, I'm like "I better get a new monitor and new eyeballs". I didn't see much of anything detracting from a 9.6 except the bottom left corner. Then ........... I looked hard. Esshhh.... that back cover is full of tics on the spine. Tiny, but many. Yea - that aint a 9.6 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Looks like a 9.6 to me. Spine ticks like that are acceptable in a 9.6 if there isn't underlying damage to the spine associated with them. It depends on, was the spine broken in all those places? Or is it very superficial? I just had a comic with the same number of spine ticks, guy said it was a 9.6/9.8 candidate. Nope. Each one of those I-could-barely-see-it spine ticks was a place where the spine had been broken. Guy said he pressed it, but you could tell ... the comic still wanted to bend in those places. THAT was a 9.0, maybe a 9.2, and no more. But this one looks flat and solid. Some little wear on two corners, but not bad. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| Good lord!! No way that's a 9.6....9.0 to 9.2 I'd say. | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| Even ones that break color? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders Sure. I've got a BEAUTIFUL 9.8 with 4-5 spine ticks. You can barely see them, but they are there. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ahhhhhh.... the beauty and relief of 3rd party services. We pay them money for the service. We pay for shipping back and forth. We wait patiently for our books to arrive. And then we still debate over what constitutes the grade. Then we see mistakes and mis-grades. Then we state "buy the book; not the grade". Then we wonder why we send in books for grading when we're buying the book not the grade. Rinse, repeat, Isn't it a beautiful endless cycle? |
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| Still new to grading, maybe I'll have more to send in to CBCS next time. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders If grading accuracy is your game. |
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| I wonder if any those spine ticks could show up after encapsulation under the right conditions. Could they be a press gone wrong? | ||
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