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Collector 14.3K	14.3K Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by EbaySeller Quote: Originally Posted by flanders I believe Beckett charges a flat rate for cards based on turnaround time regardless of the value. Maybe CBCS will adopt the same policy one day. The "percentage of FMV" conflict could also be resolved by using wide value tiers for pricing: Same flat price for $5,000-$10,000, higher flat price for $10,000-$20,000, etc, etc. this!
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.06K	80.06K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by OGJackster It will be interesting to see how a lawsuit plays out when it gets into the court system one day. I wonder if a case would ever make it to court. If the book or collection is significant enough and gross negligence can be proven on the graders part then probably so. But because grading is subjective, and thats pretty well understood throughout the industry, I'm not sure a lawyer would take this to court or a judge agree to hear it. I could be wrong tho.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town This started downhill about when the grading companies began adding a fee based on the market value of the comic...before that grading per se lacked a bias. Once the fees were added, presumably the better the grade, the higher the book value and more to the point, the higher the fee collected. I understand the insurance and value arguments that have been made, for charging fees based on the price a book is worth...but I also feel it compromises the integrity of the system badly The FMV was always there from the time I started CGC, so it was in place from day 1.
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	#soon
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. 103.68K	103.68K esaravo private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	Based on that video, and the fact that a 9.8 copy of that comic sells for more than 10 times a 9.6 copy, how many of you would crack this book out and submit it to CGC?
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Collector 1.98K	1.98K comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by danzies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19zzDFTFoPY if you get a chance watch this youtube vid, it confirms just how great cbcs is. CBCS grading is the best, hands down! Other than that one book that was made to look old and they graded it low, whoops. Their pressing is probably comparable to CCS, but the two facilities across states drives me nuts. If they would just fix their customer service issues...man CGC would have a true equal in CBCS. I'm always hopeful. Thanks for sharing the vid!
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Collector 1.98K	1.98K comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@esaravo 4 small spine ticks and what looks like a dirty fingerprint - I would not resubmit to CGC. That looks 9.6 tops anywhere it goes. Sharp corners and nice pages though!! Great book.
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Collector 8.11K	8.11K Drogio private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo Based on that video, and the fact that a 9.8 copy of that comic sells for more than 10 times a 9.6 copy, how many of you would crack this book out and submit it to CGC? @esaravo was this book already pressed? I can see at least 4 spine ticks along the black edge...one that seems to breaks color...I’d say odds are you’ll retain the 9.6 and you’d likely want to press it. I don’t think it’s worth it unless you really feel like those ticks can be pressed out...and you’re looking to sell it either way. If it were a newsstand edition I’d totally do it, though.
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Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock 7.34K	7.34K Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo Based on that video, and the fact that a 9.8 copy of that comic sells for more than 10 times a 9.6 copy, how many of you would crack this book out and submit it to CGC? I don't think I would, not this one. Well ... I don't know, maybe. I'd want a closer look at all those tiny spine ticks. They may press out, and they may not have significant color breaks, most of them, but it's hard to tell. I just looked at the price for a 9.6 vs 9.8. Holy crap! I had no idea this was a $1000+ book in 9.8. Yeah, send it in. Or I'll give you $150 for it right now and send it in myself. A month or so ago, someone tried to sell an ASM 129 CBCS 9.6 on Facebook. Didn't have any takers. So he sent for a C&P and re-grade at CGC, came back a 9.8. Dude just made about $7k-$8k on that move. ------ But the video. I saw it yesterday. The guy's "grading" was as ridiculous as his paranoia. "I'm scared to post this video. What if CGC comes after me? But I'll take that chance ... for you, my viewers. We have to get the truth out there!" Or whatever. The guy WAY undergrades: magnifying flaws and keeping a tally like some pedantic algorithm. I watched the first part and thought the book was a 9.2, maybe a 9.0, and could go to 9.6 with a press. (Especially a good presser, who could straighten out that tiny corner crunch.) I then watched the second half ... nailed it. The guy kept calling a stacking bend a spine roll. He called spine ticks the wrong thing, thought most of them were c.b. based on light reflections. He doesn't know what printer pulls are. He doesn't know how to judge Marvel comics paper quality from ~1987. He zoomed in on every little thing and I don't know what the hell he was talking about with the "black gunk" on the cover? Sounded weirdly paranoid to me. Later, when he broke it out the second time the "black gunk" was gone, he thought someone cleaned it when they graded it. Bizarre. I did miss the part about the foxing. Was that in the first half? I got bored, fast forwarded some. Anyway, you have to have a comic in-hand to see minor foxing. And I can see that causing a discrepancy in grades, between CGC and CBCS. If it is minor enough to ignore, then yeah, a 9.2 makes sense. If you want to count it, then 8.5 makes sense. It must have been borderline. But under a 7.5? I'd buy his books at 7.5 prices all day long. I would LOVE to buy raw books from this dude. The man's crazy, doesn't know how to grade. This is why I don't sell raw books on eBay, guys like this. So many are out there who don't know how - or even why - you have to look at a book holistically. It's a science, but there's also some art to it. You can lose sight of the big picture if you turn all your focus on counting minute flaws.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by poka @michaelekrupp cbcs’s lack of a registry would be one of the reasons I posted that question on the "Steve Borock interview!" thread. The interview is tonight clickable text I'm hoping this question will be answered definitively (rather than with a #soon) as he didn't say anything about it above. We will see!
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I'm a #2. 11.57K	11.57K BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Drogio Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo Based on that video, and the fact that a 9.8 copy of that comic sells for more than 10 times a 9.6 copy, how many of you would crack this book out and submit it to CGC? @esaravo was this book already pressed? I can see at least 4 spine ticks along the black edge...one that seems to breaks color...I’d say odds are you’ll retain the 9.6 and you’d likely want to press it. I don’t think it’s worth it unless you really feel like those ticks can be pressed out...and you’re looking to sell it either way. If it were a newsstand edition I’d totally do it, though. So your saying I should have this book Graded?
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Collector 8.11K	8.11K Drogio private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 So your saying I should have this book Graded? Not if you’re going to sell it to me! I’ll take it raw. But if you’re going to sell it to anyone else and you’re confident it’s a 9.6 or better....absolutely slab it! But cgc it for maximum profits. I’m not sure if it’s just the lighting, but it looks a little yellow along the top edge...
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I'll probably wake up constipated. 20.1K	20.1K Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	@BigRedOne1944 That's not a 9.8 you got there.
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Collector 8.11K	8.11K Drogio private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid The guy WAY undergrades: magnifying flaws and keeping a tally like some pedantic algorithm. I watched the first part and thought the book was a 9.2, maybe a 9.0, and could go to 9.6 with a press. (Especially a good presser, who could straighten out that tiny corner crunch.) I then watched the second half ... nailed it. The guy kept calling a stacking bend a spine roll. He called spine ticks the wrong thing, thought most of them were c.b. based on light reflections. He doesn't know what printer pulls are. He doesn't know how to judge Marvel comics paper quality from ~1987. He zoomed in on every little thing and I don't know what the hell he was talking about with the "black gunk" on the cover? Sounded weirdly paranoid to me. Later, when he broke it out the second time the "black gunk" was gone, he thought someone cleaned it when they graded it. Bizarre. I did miss the part about the foxing. Was that in the first half? I got bored, fast forwarded some. Anyway, you have to have a comic in-hand to see minor foxing. And I can see that causing a discrepancy in grades, between CGC and CBCS. If it is minor enough to ignore, then yeah, a 9.2 makes sense. If you want to count it, then 8.5 makes sense. It must have been borderline. But under a 7.5? I'd buy his books at 7.5 prices all day long. I would LOVE to buy raw books from this dude. The man's crazy, doesn't know how to grade. I felt like some of that acting was just for the drama...and he’s a terrible actor. I ignored his silly commentary and made my own judgements and fast forward to the grades. I assumed he didn’t have the comic cleaned or pressed. The cgc result was the only one that I found a bit surprising.
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Collector 8.11K	8.11K Drogio private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by OGJackster Quote: Originally Posted by poka @michaelekrupp cbcs’s lack of a registry would be one of the reasons I posted that question on the "Steve Borock interview!" thread. The interview is tonight clickable text I'm hoping this question will be answered definitively (rather than with a #soon) as he didn't say anything about it above. We will see! I wouldn’t expect a definitive answer, but an update would be nice as he has made a big deal of it as in serious development in recent months...I’ll. See if I can find the post.
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Collector 3.04K	3.04K moodswing private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	So what would be the main value of a registry?
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So your saying I should have this book Graded?

Not if you’re going to sell it to me! I’ll take it raw.

But if you’re going to sell it to anyone else and you’re confident it’s a 9.6 or better....absolutely slab it! But cgc it for maximum profits. I’m not sure if it’s just the lighting, but it looks a little yellow along the top edge...

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@BigRedOne1944 That's not a 9.8 you got there.

Im usually pretty tough on grading and have usually been spot on when submitting books. I will have to pull the book and re-access it as I do see the possible "Yellowing" in my scan that Drogio sighted.

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I'll probably wake up constipated. 20.1K	20.1K Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Quote: Originally Posted by Drogio Quote: Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 So your saying I should have this book Graded? Not if you’re going to sell it to me! I’ll take it raw. But if you’re going to sell it to anyone else and you’re confident it’s a 9.6 or better....absolutely slab it! But cgc it for maximum profits. I’m not sure if it’s just the lighting, but it looks a little yellow along the top edge... Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder @BigRedOne1944 That's not a 9.8 you got there. Im usually pretty tough on grading and have usually been spot on when submitting books. I will have to pull the book and re-access it as I do see the possible "Yellowing" in my scan that Drogio sighted. I was thinking more the bottom spine area. Or it could just be the scan. Instead of me claiming it's not a 9.8 I could have just asked you if there is an issue in that area of the book. My apologies.
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Collector 14.3K	14.3K Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by sborock Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town This started downhill about when the grading companies began adding a fee based on the market value of the comic...before that grading per se lacked a bias. Once the fees were added, presumably the better the grade, the higher the book value and more to the point, the higher the fee collected. I understand the insurance and value arguments that have been made, for charging fees based on the price a book is worth...but I also feel it compromises the integrity of the system badly The FMV was always there from the time I started CGC, so it was in place from day 1. I am sure your memory is better than mine on the topic, but I remember that it used to be not as big a deal or something then there was a change...was it that prices rose, drastically?
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I'm a #2. 11.57K	11.57K BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 9
	I was thinking more the bottom spine area. Or it could just be the scan. Instead of me claiming it's not a 9.8 I could have just asked you if there is an issue in that area of the book. My apologies. @Pre_Coder Its all cool no apologies necessary. It's all subjective and this is exactly why Im here in the first place. Nothing like having other experienced eyes and options on books. I have pulled the book and I have re-accessed. There is indeed a Very tiny Microscopic tick by the bottom spine corner area (Good eye on that!) As for the discoloration at the top, I don't really see it "in hand" but the scan seems to make it look so. I must have gotten blinded by the flawless cover surface on the book. While I think it could possibly pull a 9.6 NM+, Im going to call it a very strong 9.4 NM just to be safe. Thanks for the expert eyes guys! Is it worth the time to submit for a 9.4 or 9.6 grade? Either way it's a beautiful book that Im glad to have in my ASM run!
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Forum Crier 55.35K	55.35K OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	I found an old 2001 CGC flyer. This may help... And here is a nostalgic piece for @sborock
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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Can we talk about the other grading company that the OP's friend is starting to promote in his videos that is located in Palm Bay, FL?
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. 29.43K	29.43K flanders private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Can we talk about the other grading company that the OP's friend is starting to promote in his videos that is located in Palm Bay, FL? You can talk about it here: clickable text
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	Quote: Originally Posted by flanders Here's another example of a CBCS 9.2. Do you think the grade is accurate? clickable text Or this one...
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I'm a #2. 11.57K	11.57K BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by robertofredrico Quote: Originally Posted by flanders Here's another example of a CBCS 9.2. Do you think the grade is accurate? clickable text Or this one... Wow! Im not sure that book is even an 8.0 VFN..... Maybe my ASM #301 can pull a 9.8 (If I get that grader :eek
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. 29.43K	29.43K flanders private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@robertofredrico what do the grader's notes say. On some of these it's hard to believe the book wasn't swapped out. I also remember one post during the last year where an individual submitted multiple comics and it was clear that on two of the comics the grades were swapped (not by the customer). I think someone from CBCS commented that they use short code to enter the information for the labels and that at times typos can occur, assigning an incorrect grade to a book. Unfortunately there was no quality assurance check for this error so it was up to the customer to bring the issue to CBCS's attention.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. 37.37K	37.37K EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	The ASM 194 is probably a real grade. Regarding the ASM 194, Did you have this book graded yourself? I am seriously skeptical about that photo. Either swapped out or photo-shopped. If CBCS grades like that, I have a couple hundred additional books I need to send them. It looks nothing like the reality I've experienced.
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Collector 25.61K	25.61K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo Based on that video, and the fact that a 9.8 copy of that comic sells for more than 10 times a 9.6 copy, how many of you would crack this book out and submit it to CGC? I wouldn't. The spine stress will prevent 9.8
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Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock 7.34K	7.34K Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by robertofredrico Quote: Originally Posted by flanders Here's another example of a CBCS 9.2. Do you think the grade is accurate? clickable text Or this one... Please, there's no way that's a real grade. Either a typo as someone mentioned, or fraud, or just a photoshop as a joke. No one would mistake that for a 9.4. I don't do a lot of mid-grade comics, but I'd say that's a 5.5 or a 6.0. Can anyone make out what the serial number is for the grader notes? I can't quite see it.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.83K	20.83K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 9
	I know there is the "9.8 syndrome" going on out there; and I knew the differential was exponential - but this ...... this.... $120 (9.6) vs. $1200 (9.8) is just a bushel of crazy bananas. I find it sad in a way that peeps will just toss away money for a subjective 0.2. I know this is a debate that's gone on over and over and over and over but 10X the value for subjectivity? ... it lends to what metrics, analytics, graphs, presentations, has made our society in all aspects recently; not just comics. Now let me go do my new car search. Thinking of a Nissan Altima over the Toyota Camry. It has a 1.5 Horsepower differential
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