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COLLECTOR Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
If people like the labels, and want them, then by all means get it. I find these labels distracting from the books. If there specific labels for different eras of Spidey (ie. Romita Sr label, McFarlane label, etc), that would be slightly more appealing to me. I agree with @Drogio about the comments being moved to the back of the label as well.

Besides, it's only "Limited Edition" but not listed as a "Limited Edition Collector's Item" which would increase it's value to the slab.
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Collector Gamecube2482 private msg quote post Address this user
I don't get a lot of comics graded a year or buy a whole lot of graded comics. Maybe buy less than 10 and my next CBCS submission will be around 40 books. So my opinion might not be worth much. I just like the CBCS cases a lot better. I have noticed that all the CGC books im getting have Newton rings. Some not as bad as others but I kinda feel this is a way for them to say oh look we will give you a nice label to make up for our crappy cases with Newton Rings. Maybe its a marketing trick to make people notice the labels and not the rings, or that people wont complain about the rings so much. I like the labels but the money it cost to get one I would rather put to getting another book graded.
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Collector OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user
@xkonk ??? Those are stickers.
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Collector the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user
These are great for removing stickers from slabs..


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Collector OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user
I use a tiny drop of this with a microfiber cloth.


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Collector chirock private msg quote post Address this user
Can I get one with glitter rainbows too?
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Collector OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user
@chirock



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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
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@xkonk ??? Those are stickers.


I just thought you had a good opinion about how there were things people added to slabs that brought no value to the situation and distracted from the book. If that QES sticker, which theoretically at least tells you something about how the book looks, is uninformative and takes up slab real estate, how can these CGC labels be a good thing?
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
I ABSOLUTELY love the label idea It would obviously be even better if they had different ones to represent different Era's, as Sudley_Dudley mentioned.

I could also care less about the Book info being on the back side of the label, at this point in the grading game its all basically trivial information most collectors already know anyway.

This was obviously the next step in graded slabs and quite frankly Im surprised it hasn't occurred long before this.

I assume there is some sort of licensing fee CGC incurs to use the Marvel character Images? CGC likely being in a more financially stable position enabling them to be the first to bring this innovative idea to market.

Gimmick, Cash grab..... Call it whatever you want, but there's no doubt it's Great Marketing by CGC and a serious kick in the nuts to CBCS and whatever it is they call a Marketing team.

If your going to compete with the champ, and have a serious chance at winning, you can't hope for a 10 round decision, You have to land a Knock Out! This is why CBCS will continue playing second fiddle to CGC.


Now... Here's my Con side..... Even though Ive always wanted cool labels like this. I won't be baited out of extra fees and shipping by CGC for this service.

CBCS has shown grit in lasting 9 rounds with the champ. Now they need a Knock Out in the 10 round and the ONLY way I can see that happening is for them to up stage CGC by offering similar labels without sticking customers for extra fees. I think we all know thats not going to happen given CBCS's past inability to move forward in order to get to the next level of Professional Grading.

Anyway, I love the labels, but I will not pay for them, But Im sure there are MANY that will and I guess I can't say that blame them because they are super cool.
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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@xkonk ??? Those are stickers.


I just thought you had a good opinion about how there were things people added to slabs that brought no value to the situation and distracted from the book. If that QES sticker, which theoretically at least tells you something about how the book looks, is uninformative and takes up slab real estate, how can these CGC labels be a good thing?



Simple... The book was already graded by the leading Comic book authenticator in the hobby with ALL of the necessary information about the book already noted by them. Why on Earth do I need the opinion of some jack ass at the auction who thinks he's more qualified in questioning the CGC or CBCS grading system

Those "Opinion Stickers" ? Please.... Nothing more than some Jack ass at an auction site who has the nerve to think they know more about the already graded book than the CGC or CBCS? It's an insulting ploy be these sellers to try to sell a book for more.


The difference being? The artwork labels are just plain COOL! (Not a verbal opinion)

The QES sticker is just a silly proprietary opinion questioning the ALREADY GRADED BOOK in order to try an push their own Auction prices.
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I ABSOLUTELY love the label idea It would obviously be even better if they had different ones to represent different Era's, as Sudley_Dudley mentioned.

This was obviously the next step in graded slabs and quite frankly Im surprised it hasn't occurred long before this.

Gimmick, Cash grab..... Call it whatever you want, but there's no doubt it's Great Marketing by CGC and a serious kick in the nuts to CBCS and whatever it is they call a Marketing team.

Anyway, I love the labels, but I will not pay for them, But Im sure there are MANY that will and I guess I can't say that blame them because they are super cool.


In my personal opinion, it's far from a "great marketing" if someone who loves the label will not pay extra for it. Great marketing creates a need. CGC has already rolled out limited edition labels. This is not a new idea on their part. At best, it is a new take on their previous idea.

I seriously question whether these labels actually increase submissions significantly for CGC. Maybe if someone is on the fence, I can see it. Or, if they have Spidey comics they are sending in or want to send in, this might get them to do it. I think this is more of a prestige thing for them. It's CGC saying, "See what we can offer?" And in that respect, yeah, it's a good gimmick. Is it a gamechanger or a "kick in the nuts" for CBCS?? Not hardly.

Out of curiosity, those of you who do a lot of cons, are you seeing a lot of these specialty labels out there? I can see the Stan Lee one being popular. But for the regular marvel ones, how many are actually out there? Also, do they rate a premium? For instance, if there are 2 ASM 300's. both CGC 9.8's and one has a Spidey label, is it selling for $10-$20 more than the regular?

But about CGC being "the Champ", it's easy to be the champ when you have never had serious competition. If CGC wants to keep that crown, they desperately need to fix their newton ring issue. Just today, on the CGC boards, a long time CGC forum member stated that he will not be sending in any more books until it is fixed. Ebay sellers now have disclaimers in their sales threads. Meanwhile, more and more CBCS slabs are hitting the market and people are seeing that newton rings are just an issue for CGC. People are seeing that there is a viable alternative to CGC. Investors and flippers may not care about newton rings, but a lot of people buying for their own collection do. These are the people that the investors and flippers want to sell to. IMO, CGC is the one that needs to wake up.
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Collector robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user
I gotta admit, that new Spidey label is really cool.
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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I ABSOLUTELY love the label idea It would obviously be even better if they had different ones to represent different Era's, as Sudley_Dudley mentioned.

This was obviously the next step in graded slabs and quite frankly Im surprised it hasn't occurred long before this.

Gimmick, Cash grab..... Call it whatever you want, but there's no doubt it's Great Marketing by CGC and a serious kick in the nuts to CBCS and whatever it is they call a Marketing team.

Anyway, I love the labels, but I will not pay for them, But Im sure there are MANY that will and I guess I can't say that blame them because they are super cool.


In my personal opinion, it's far from a "great marketing" if someone who loves the label will not pay extra for it. Great marketing creates a need. CGC has already rolled out limited edition labels. This is not a new idea on their part. At best, it is a new take on their previous idea.

I seriously question whether these labels actually increase submissions significantly for CGC. Maybe if someone is on the fence, I can see it. Or, if they have Spidey comics they are sending in or want to send in, this might get them to do it. I think this is more of a prestige thing for them. It's CGC saying, "See what we can offer?" And in that respect, yeah, it's a good gimmick. Is it a gamechanger or a "kick in the nuts" for CBCS?? Not hardly.

Out of curiosity, those of you who do a lot of cons, are you seeing a lot of these specialty labels out there? I can see the Stan Lee one being popular. But for the regular marvel ones, how many are actually out there? Also, do they rate a premium? For instance, if there are 2 ASM 300's. both CGC 9.8's and one has a Spidey label, is it selling for $10-$20 more than the regular?

But about CGC being "the Champ", it's easy to be the champ when you have never had serious competition. If CGC wants to keep that crown, they desperately need to fix their newton ring issue. Just today, on the CGC boards, a long time CGC forum member stated that he will not be sending in any more books until it is fixed. Ebay sellers now have disclaimers in their sales threads. Meanwhile, more and more CBCS slabs are hitting the market and people are seeing that newton rings are just an issue for CGC. People are seeing that there is a viable alternative to CGC. Investors and flippers may not care about newton rings, but a lot of people buying for their own collection do. These are the people that the investors and flippers want to sell to. IMO, CGC is the one that needs to wake up.



Admiral defense Jessie... Unfortunately I have to respectfully disagree with most of it.

I respect and appreciate your efforts here on the boards and in your support and promotion of CBCS. If CBCS had more dedicated people like you maybe they would be much farther along in their evolution.

I really want CBCS to succeed. I don't sub nearly as many books as I once did, but the ones I do sub I have been sending to CBCS to try and help support them with the thought that at some point they will move beyond just a "Start up company" so far that has not been the case.

It just seems like they are unable to get past those basic entry level issues. I understand the hurdles a new company can face, but that "New Company" excuse has really started to run its coarse. A CBCS registry and census should have been priority by now, but CBCS is still stumbling over themselves trying to just employ a legitimate customer service Team, Let alone Marketing and IT Teams capable of competing with CGC.

Until that changes in a serious way CBCS will continue to be second tier to CGC.
I apologize for the "Tough Love" stance, but sometimes that's what it takes.

COME on CBCS get your head in the game and get a Registry and census IM ROOTING FOR YOU, but the 10th round is closing in! YO ADRIAN!!!!

The Newton ring thing? Thats starting to get as old as Politicians claiming each other racist. Its not going to put CGC out of business and it surely isn't going to elevate CBCS to the next level they need to get too IMHO

You can spin it however you want, but those Art work labels was a great Marketing play that will get CGC Plenty of attention, Especially if they somehow incorporate them into basic slabs across the board.
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944

Simple... The book was already graded by the leading Comic book authenticator in the hobby with ALL of the necessary information about the book already noted by them. Why on Earth do I need the opinion of some jack ass at the auction who thinks he's more qualified in questioning the CGC or CBCS grading system


There are a number of people on the forum with pretty strong opinions about centering/miswraps, which I don't think is much (if any) of a factor in CBCS/CGC grading. It seems like there could be an argument for someone to add to the current grade information. I'm not going to make that argument, because I don't like the QES stickers either. But if we're arguing about what's informative, what makes the slab look cluttered, what emphasizes the comic over the label, etc., I think some consistency is in order.
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
Indeed Miswrapped covers are a pet peeve of mine and I despise them and avoid the like the plague. I don't care if it has a 9.8 grade on it or not..... I simply won't buy it.

I believe most competent people can plainly see if a book is miswrapped. A QUES sticker simply implies that collectors are to stupid to see a miswrap for themselves?

Those stickers are just plain insulting and I will not ever buy books from those people who employee them.


There are plenty of "Label collectors" out there already. In fact, I would say a high percentage of buyers are buying the grade on the label and not the book already, and have been doing so for years now.

What makes the slab looked cluttered to me is that Giant number grade on it. You ever wonder why that 9.8 has to be so big? Its because thats what many are buying as opposed to the book itself.

To me, a beautiful art scene rendering of the featured book character is much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than a bunch of informational text and a big giant blocky number grade. That ugly clutter can be easily contained on the back for reference IMHO.

I would actually like to see labels that contain artwork unique to the book itself. Beings how the book is sealed and you can no longer view the actual interior of the book. I think it would be cool to have a label with actual art from the enclosed book.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944
This was obviously the next step in graded slabs and quite frankly Im surprised it hasn't occur long before this.
It did occurred long before; CGC has been doing special art labels for years.
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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This was obviously the next step in graded slabs and quite frankly Im surprised it hasn't occur long before this.
It did occurred long before; CGC has been doing special art labels for years.


Yes, I Know. I should have clarified that I was referring to it becoming more mainstream and a Standard label across the board. Which I hope it does. Obviously CBCS is not is a position to make that kind of innovative change(see the current threads about lack of customer service), CGC on the other hand does have the staff and resources to implement such a change.
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Collector X51 private msg quote post Address this user
I want my comics to have a picture of me on the label with a slogan under my picture that says "This is all mine. #$@% You!"
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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I want my comics to have a picture of me on the label with a slogan under my picture that says "This is all mine. #$@% You!"



Ha Ha!!! With all the silly hype over "Pedigree's" Why not! Anything has to be better than that big bulky number grade and boring informational text that I can easily access on the back side.
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Moderator Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user
So, what do you do when the competition offers an exclusive Spidey label that customers need to pay more for? Easy, you give discounts on Spidey comics submitted for slabbing!!! Yeah, CBCS's marketing dept sucks!!! LOL!!!!


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Collector Jabberwookie private msg quote post Address this user
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So, what do you do when the competition offers an exclusive Spidey label that customers need to pay more for? Easy, you give discounts on Spidey comics submitted for slabbing!!! Yeah, CBCS's marketing dept sucks!!! LOL!!!!




Ah! Sounds like a good time to get my Spider-Man 36 (9/11 issue) graded.

Thanks for that nugget, Jessie!
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Collector BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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So, what do you do when the competition offers an exclusive Spidey label that customers need to pay more for? Easy, you give discounts on Spidey comics submitted for slabbing!!! Yeah, CBCS's marketing dept sucks!!! LOL!!!!





Im rooting for ya Jessie!

Unfortunately there already seems to be some confusion on the way this has been implemented.

So let me get this straight:

* As a Non-member $18 per book (Been stung before trying to use membership coupons)

* I submit 10 Spiderman books ($18 x 10 = $180)

* I Print out the online Submisson form which is going to reflect the $180 charge(plus shipping)

* I send in this Submisson form with the Promo code wrote on it.

* Im then to believe CBCS billing will adjust the charges to my Credit Card to $140 (plus shipping)?

Somehow I can't help but see the flood of unanswered Emails and phone calls complaining about the mis-billed credit cards.

Discounts are GREAT! If you have a professional competent team of customer service and billing people in place that are able to implement it, but its not really a discount if customers lack the confidence to actually use it.

I do have some Spidey books I would like to submit, but I'll have to pass for now due to the lack of confidence in CBCS customer service and billing.

I just can't take the chance on any more books until I get the books back that I currently have languishing somewhere at CBCS.

Like I said........ Im rooting for ya!
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Collector sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
@BigRedOne1944,

I agree with everything you say in this because I've been a victim of no returned phone calls & ignored emails but at least my problem was worked out. I will submit a few comics but I will be a bit worried until they come back and my card was charged right. I'm definitely rooting for CBCS to start getting things right.
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One thing I don’t care for about these labels (aside from the $5 up charge plus separate tier) is that any special notations on the label (like 2st appearance of a character) gets moved to the back of the label.

Seriously, cgc? You couldn’t make a label that doesn’t displace basic info on the front?


So I got my fancy cgc hero label books back today. I can honestly say I’m not impressed and will not be opting for these in the future. The graphics/ink isn’t high quality, but even worse they slap that cgc holographic sticker over 1/3 of the artwork!!

Just wanted to point that out as i had missed it initially.


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Collector Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user
hahaha oh wow. Why in the hell would they lay this out like that?!
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Collector sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
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One thing I don’t care for about these labels (aside from the $5 up charge plus separate tier) is that any special notations on the label (like 2st appearance of a character) gets moved to the back of the label.

Seriously, cgc? You couldn’t make a label that doesn’t displace basic info on the front?


So I got my fancy cgc hero label books back today. I can honestly say I’m not impressed and will not be opting for these in the future. The graphics/ink isn’t high quality, but even worse they slap that cgc holographic sticker over 1/3 of the artwork!!

Just wanted to point that out as i had missed it initially.




What the crap!!?? This sucks. (I should know, i got one too).
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Moderator Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user
@Drogio Can we at least see the Iron Man slab??? Don't tease us like that!!! LOL
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Collector Drogio private msg quote post Address this user
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@Drogio Can we at least see the Iron Man slab??? Don't tease us like that!!! LOL


posted them here
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Collector DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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One thing I don’t care for about these labels (aside from the $5 up charge plus separate tier) is that any special notations on the label (like 2st appearance of a character) gets moved to the back of the label.

Seriously, cgc? You couldn’t make a label that doesn’t displace basic info on the front?


So I got my fancy cgc hero label books back today. I can honestly say I’m not impressed and will not be opting for these in the future. The graphics/ink isn’t high quality, but even worse they slap that cgc holographic sticker over 1/3 of the artwork!!

Just wanted to point that out as i had missed it initially.



That would drive me insane.
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