Hulk 180 or 181?9936
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town https://www.calcomiccon.com/ is worth the price of a plane ticket from just about anywhere in the country. Usually the last Saturday in January, all back-issue dealers from several states, very little riff-raff. https://longbeachcomiccon.com/ Not as great, too much cosplay and riff-raff, but it's 10 minutes away from my home. Those are the only two I attend anymore. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Powers of X #3. My friend sent me the picture. |
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| The year in that picture under Wolverine is wrong. EDIT: Nevermind..its referring to the series year not the actual book year. |
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| 181 is overrated, because all the jabronis want it or have it (myself included in the latter). I need 180 to become the book to own only because my 180 is a lot nicer than my 181. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller I am not so sure of those conclusions..the CGC census has 1371 Jimmy Olsen 134, vs 1420 copies of Forever people |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley ditto!!! Only I don't own a 181. My 180 is 8.5 CGC SS Trimpe and Stan (non pressed - might go up a grade or more with press?) |
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| 2nd appearance of wolverine is #182 not giant size xmen lol folks looks like we have a dalema lol | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jakejewls A what!? |
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| Part of the reason I couldn't care less about "first appearances". Do I want the 1-page cameo, or more...? I'd rather have an Iron Man #1 than TOS #39. It's not just about the debate, either. It's about how overpriced 1st appearances are. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Really? Dang well if u find a TOS 39 I’ll trade and I’ll pay for shipping |
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Quote:Originally Posted by danzies I own both. They cost about 52¢ including tax. Not expensive at all. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Steverogers11 I simply wouldn't buy a TOS39 unless I got a steal of a deal. I would trade a TOS39 for an IM1 in a heartbeat if they were in the same ballpark $$$$$-wise. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jakejewlsk. Sorry and no...2nd FULL appearance is Giant size 1 thanks |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrusI am unsure what you base that one but since I have both I can tell you...the TOS is a far better book both art, story and coverwise….the cover art of Iron man 1 is hideous....and TOS 39 is not a cameo, it contains first full appearance, introduction and Origin of the character in one story. It is a classic in every sense of the word....however once the character was introduced and appears in some 60 consecutive issues, and has a first issue Iron man and Sub Mariner one shot, we got Iron man 1.....in essence it is Iron Man 62. Good luck with your choice. His first appearance, happening some 57 years ago is not over-priced...in fact well worth the investment and more since it was the introduction of such a long running and integral character in marvel mythos |
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2nd app...correct.  |
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| Thanks GAC ...at least someone knows their Marvel keys! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus This is how crazy this hobby is; I recently looked up the current sales for my TOS 39, my x-men 1, my spider-man 1, all coverless rags. They are all $1,000 books! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town That's what we in the real world call "an opinion". I have no idea what your sentence immediately following that subjectivity has to do with anything. Not once did I ever say that TOS39 is a cameo. TOS39 is overpriced. Change my mind (you won't). Comic books are overpriced, in general. Investing in comics is historically, proportionately, a bad idea. So I won't even touch that subject. |
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| Yes, but it isn't crazy, its proportional . Every comic from Action 1 to Immortal Hulk 1, in every condition has a place in the rankings and price equation. As coverless and rags, they are still copies of books that were the foundation of close to 60 years of storytelling , cartoons, kids lunch boxes, toys and Halloween costumes. Congrats on having them...they may be rags, but they are your rags. time has done justice to these cultural icons for price.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town He appears on the letter page in #184... it's cool book to own if you can't afford #180 or #181. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrusIn the real world as you put it...everything you type is also an opinion...but its also fact the cover art of Iron man vs TOS 39 is an easy choice...its also fact that Iron man 1 is technically about issue 62 of the history of a character introduced in TOS 39 in a classic tale ..you know...out here in the real world. TOS 39 shows rising trends, is highly sought after and has risen steadily in price across the boards for years. A quick visit to the GPA...a site out here in the real world that documents verified sales of comics across multiple sites and in all grades can quickly and firmly remove many doubts you might have what the sales arc for the book is....out in the real world of course. I have no intention of changing your mind...ignorance that refuses evidence, denies facts, and bases itself on bias is not easily repairable and requires much more than I have care to offer here today. "Investing in comics is historically, proportionately, a bad idea. So I won't even touch that subject." You sure chose an odd forum to attempt that argument...you know, where people hoard comics that originally were cover priced for like ten or twelve cents and sell for thousands and even millions..out there in the real world. You might spend some time reading some market opinions and perhaps studying sales trends from places like gpa rather than ramming your own thoughts down others throats...the real world is a great place and the hobby of collecting an investing in comics is alive an welll |
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Quote:Originally Posted by X51Haha...perfect, and at least that one isn't likely to be so badly overpriced |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jakejewls Minus any adjectives connected to "appearance" other than "2nd", it's Hulk #181. JO #134 is THE lamest of all 1st appearances, but it's a 1st appearance. I do not feel 1st Appearances should be automatically valued higher, but even more I feel a 1st Appearance shouldn't be questioned just because a Full Appearance is valued higher. EDIT: For the record, I have all four issues concerning Wolverine's and Darkseid's 1st App. My 180 is much nicer than my 181 (9.4 vs 7.0 slabbed), and my Forever People #1 is much nicer than my JO #134 (VF vs VG+/VGFN Raw). |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Incorrect. How do you lack self-awareness? You're worse than almost the entire CGC site's community combined. People freely discuss comic books, in general, over there. I can't think of a single person that expects users to worship the site's host and perpetuate comic "investment". Much wow. How quickly some forget about the volatility of "investing" in collectibles. |
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| Based off of the #180 as a 1st appearance #182 is actually 3rd appearance so gsx1 is 4th lol if you go off of just the character excluding cameo and full appearance. | ||
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| Since the art of comic storytelling from the sixties and seventies relied so heavily on that closing panel cliffhanger to create a need to buy the next issue, its rather common out there. I don't have deeply set feelings one way or another, but I do wish it was more consistently observed....i.e x men 266 is in no way Gambits first appearance, but look at what the book brings. I run into Newbs in the hobby who consider it a grail, unaware blissfully it is not his first. Same thing for Ms. Marvel and the mess of Mystiques first full and cameo appearances. Jimmy Olsen is a classic case of cameo confusion given 134..single panel....135 single panel..forever people 1 first full appearance, but then his 2nd full appearance is new gods 2. There should be a thread for all the cameo/following issue full appearance occurrences! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jakejewls Quote: Originally Posted by Jakejewls Now you got it  No need for dilemma or anything else- If value (including demand) were to somehow completely be removed from the hobby while the number of copies and owners remain the same, I doubt the 180/181 debate would be as it is.I'm not saying EVERYONE is in it for the money, but if NO ONE were... IMO |
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| People -should- be in it for the art form - not money. There are more tried and true, and lucrative, ways of investing. | ||
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| People should do comics for any reason they choose, the very nature of a free country. People shouldn't try to impose their own values on others...for any reason in a hobby. | ||
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