Spider-Man SONY cuts ties with Marvel9873
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ugh... not sure what this means in the end, but looks like Feige is not going to co-produce spider-man films anymore with SONY. Cant wait to see yet another well written, well produced, only SONY Spider-man film  |
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| Yea.. two observations.. Sony DID manage to make a three awesome Spidey movies, in my opinion. the first two Toby McGuire movies, and Into the Spider-verse, which was fantastic. But.. Spidey was super fun, mixing in with the Marvel universe, and I can't see him successfully going back to being set adrift like that. It suuuucks. |
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Not happy about this. There has to be a compromise. What about all those rumors of Kraven being in Black Panther ha. | ||
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KCBatmanFan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Seems like details are still sketchy, so may not be 100% fact, but I saw somewhere that Disney wanted profit participation in the Sony movies to continue forward and Sony said no. | ||
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @KCBatmanFan Reading Disney wanted 50/50 split. |
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Yoosh5492 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Time for Disney to buy Sony too.  |
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CatCovers private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Disappointing. Not like Spidey was being set up as a crux character for the next phase of the MCU or anything. | ||
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| very disappointing. | ||
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KCBatmanFan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing Seeing that being reported now too. I guess that Disney had 5% first dollar on the old deal. If I were Sony, with an iron clad license, not sure I’d go for 50% either, but surely there’s something in-between. Everything I ever read seems to indicate that the original deal was a long, painful negotiation, too. |
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| Sony knows that a Spidy and Venom movie is headed in their direction. I'm thinking they will be OK. | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Spiderman Far From Home is Sonys highest grossing film ever...certainly a significant reason for this is Spideys association to the MCU and Marvels creative force (i.e. Kevin Feige). The current deal as stated was 5% of 1st dollar gross + all the merch $. Disney was asking for 50/50 financing and 50/50 profits. I guess it all comes down to Sonys creative confidence in their Spidey universe without the MCU support. I have my doubts Sony can produce the same quality film without Marvels creative leadership. | ||
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This makes the next spiderman movie a total mess in terms of continuity. | ||
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'll be happy if they quit doing Iron Spider movies and lamenting over Robert Downey Jr. | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing I could very well be an origin story in order to not have to have the continuity and it can fulfill any contractual obligations. |
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Venom made money even though it wasn't a great movie. A Sony-only Spidey movie will make money and probably also not be a great movie. | ||
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
| More news saying negotiations are ongoing. | ||
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Honestly IDC. For me the first two Spider-Man movies were the best and into the Spider-Verse was surprisingly entertaining and Sony did those on their own. In comics starting in the late 80's Marvel had Spider-Man crossing over into every comic and story line they possibly could. But the first 10 years of comics Spider-Man was a lone character that mostly operated in his own NYC. Spidey has one of the best rogue's galleries in comics. . The web-slinger has one of the best supporting casts in comic history So my opinion is Spider-Man movies can and will do wonderfully operating solely within the Spider-verse. There are countless great characters and stories to be mined just from the Spider-Man universe. Or to state it briefly, regardless of which company is more at fault, the bigger mistake is being made by Disney. The MCU needs Spider-Man far, far more than Spider-Man needs the MCU. I might also mention that after the first Spider-Man movie, Marvel took Sony to court over their belief they were not getting a fair share of the $$ from the movie. The settlement was that Marvel got a some amount of money from the movies (and 5% of first dollars is not insignificant and way more than 5% of the profits) but all the money from merchandising of the movie (the toys and such) So Marvel/Disney is making more bucks on this than they carry on. |
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comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Nuffsaid111 This will probably sound dumb, because I feel bad for Disney, but at the same time I love this endless competition. It keeps Sony and Disney honest and creative. Good for Sony. I wish them luck, and the only outcome is movies related to comics which we all love, even if we hate them individually, bring it on! It is what it is, we cant change it. Let's see it play out. |
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Naa. Just ignore the ongoing plot lines from Far From Home and do the Venom/Spider-Man movie every fan boy wants. No one will even notice. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @X51 "I'll be happy if they quit doing Iron Spider movies and lamenting over Robert Downey Jr." - 100% Agree! I've had it with the armor. Let's get back to the traditional Spiderman. @comic_book_man Again - agree 100%. It'd be nice to see something new and competition breeds creativity (I hope) |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Overreaction. Their current deal expired because Sony didn't want to renew the same terms. Nothing more; nothing less. Not sure why Sony wouldn't want to renew terms though, when Marvel does all the work, and Sony gets basically all of the profits. They'll likely reach a new agreement. With no Spider-Man in Phase 4 it's not a pressing issue for Kevin Feige. Otherwise, Sony is overestimating the value of just the IP while also alienating the largest franchise audience in the world. It would be a huge mistake in removing Spider-Man from the MCU regardless of terms offered by Marvel Studios. |
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Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
| To me it sounds like they are negotiating a consignment on a used car. Sony: Here it is!!! I have $5,000 in it. Same deal as last time? You get 5% of everything over the $5,000?? Marvel: Nope. We want 50% of the final selling price!!! Sony: Say what????? In short, they are still in talks. They will eventually reach a compromise IMO. |
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IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Marvel doesn't do all the work. Marvel doesn't do hardly any work on the Spider-Man movies and puts no money into it. Sony has a licensing agreement with Marvel. For the Spider-Man related universe. That licensing agreement says Marvel gets 5% of the "first dollars". The gross. And they get all the revenue from any merchandising (toys, happy meals, etc) 5% of the gross is a much larger percentage of the profits. And Disney/Marvel currently puts NO MONEY into the Spider-Man pictures. So Marvel has - so far - collected 55 million on the last Spider-Man movie with no financial investment. It is Disney/Marvel that wants and needs Spider-Man as part of the MCU. It's is Disney/Marvel that wants to CHANGE the current licensing agreement to a 50/50 split on production costs of the movies and have a 50/50 split of revenue. The problem for Disney/Marvel is that Sony doesn't have to agree to these changes. The licensing agreement requires they do movies regularly, which they have. |
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| If talks are still ongoing, this IMHO sounds to me like Disney leaking to sway public opinion and add some pressure on Sony to get a deal done... | ||
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| 100% agree regarding iron spider in the mcu movies . ... too gimmicky ... much prefer regular spider-man . | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan While I agree with most of what you're saying, Disney does invest creative time and effort into these Spidey movies. Maybe it's not cold hard $$$ but Kevin Feige specifically spends alot of time and effort from a creative standpoint and as they say time is money. |
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gotham44 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think its great the Sony isnt giving in to Disney. Hes not even in any Phase 4 films and Garfield isnt going to get any younger. PLUS, a Spidey-Venom movie would be awesome | ||
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan That is flat-out wrong. Marvel Studios also does not "need" Spider-Man. Not at all. |
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| Negotiation tactic, something will come out of this. | ||
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| Tom Holland unfollowd Sony... Oh snap! | ||
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