CBCS Grading vs CGC9726
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| I saw some threads on CGC forum testing the grading difference. In every case they sent in low-value but high-grade (9.6-9.8) CBCS books to be regraded by CGC. In some cases the grades came back slightly lower (9.4 to 9.6). Obviously these are rigged tests, probably meant to criticize CBCS grading, as statistically there is almost 0% chance of a higher grade and the only possibility is lower grade, which could come from many factors. A more legitimate test would use books in the 4.5-8.5 range. Has anyone done testing in this grade range or seen results from others? Apologies if this has been discussed before. |
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| Agreed. A lower grade would be a better test. I've never done one of these before because I'm generally happy with the grades I get, but I've seen a lot of youtubers that try to prove one company is better than the other like this. I don't put a lot of stock in it. It's all subjective and you don't know what they are leaving out of the story to fit their narrative. | ||
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| In all honesty, CBCS is more strict in grading than CGC. I own equal amounts of CGC & CBCS graded comics. I have seen a lot of CGC 9.8s with color breaking spine bends or back cover color rubs. I have only seen one, litterly one, CBCS comic that was a 9.8 with a spine bend, but it didn't break color. That being said, it can probably still fall into the 9.8 range (but being I'm a very strict grader myself, I would have given it a 9.6). I honestly don't understand why eBay sellers think that CGC should be sold at higher prices. Other sites such as ComicLink and ComicConnect, show no segregation and both demand the same monetary amounts. Real hardcore collectors know that CBCS is a top tier grading company and trust them respectively. |
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| I have no problem buying cbcs books at a discount | ||
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| @EbaySeller no way to know whether same books before and after but 1 grade in difference either way is to expect. This thread about their crossover service shows that some CBCS books went up in grade, some the same and some went down https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/440674-cgc-crossover-special-get-50off-for-cgc-to-grade-other-companies-slabs/#comments |
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| I own very few CGC slabs compared to CBCS. I recently cracked a 9.6 CGC slab for an AW signature that had a card stock cover. Once it was cracked and out of the slab, you could see thumb indents on the front and back cover probably from the slabbing process from CGC. (saying the inner holder was "snug" would be an understatement) I doubt I'm going to get it back as a 9.6 from CBCS...It does make me wonder if CGC may have been a bit more relaxed on their older graded slabs before they had competition... |
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| If I’m buying a graded book to flip, I look for the best deal or use gocollect or comiclink to convince a seller that their book in CGC is overpriced. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. If I’m buying for my PC, I too will buy the discount that eBay seems to provide in CBCS graded books. | ||
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About CGC "commanding a premium" in price, that was to be expected. If I recall the information from my college days correctly, it takes 5-7 years for a company to achieve significant brand recognition. If CBCS gets the census and registry going soon, I would expect that any price gaps will effectively disappear in the next two years. With any luck, the tables will be turned by CBCS' 10 year mark (but in all seriousness, I doubt it and I'm not sure I'd want that anyways).  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I'm not so sure this will happen anymore. CBCS was hit hard when their TAT's lagged when moving and that talk about their census is worthless as they never put out anything. If CBCS were to implement a registry similar to CGC's that would improve there overall sales. A lack of a magazine sized case is also in detriment of CBCS over CGC. Hopefully the company can make some changes that will impact the consumers opinion and it will continue to rise but the reality of the matter is that I cannot see that happening in the short term. |
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| @SpiderTim TATS have improved 10 fold. Registrys and Censuses, magazines etc. are all coming at one point or another. There will absolutely be parity to CGC at some point (unless something horrific happens like it did PGX). CBCS has grading credibility atleast equal to CGC. Any objective person in the hobby knows this. What CBCS needs is time to keep doing what they're doing and get the word out. | ||
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| You've also got the generational thing. A lot of the older guys who invested in CGC in the early days are probably still waving the flag and speaking to the pros of that product...those older guys might not be as open minded. The American Automobile is the best in the world folks...Imports?! They're made differently, so they're not good! Different is bad, change is bad. I think as time moves on and the generations change CBCS will have more of a foot in the door in the market. It's just a natural evolution. The product is physically better and I think a portion of the market realizes it, it's just a matter of time before that grows. |
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| @Paulbg2000 Paul, I don't believe in evolution. Hahaha. Seriously though, I agree that CBCS should advertise more. The easiest way for that would be to partner up more often with Comic Book sites that have limited, graded (by CBCS) comics for sale. Example: Marvel Comics #1000 limited to 250 copies version, graded by CBCS.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I know they have improved TAT's but once CBCS' reputation was tarnished it will be extremely hard to get it back. I know of some people who, like me, preferred CBCS over CGC but the damage caused by loooooong TAT's made them decide that they would no longer use CBCS. Since I am not in the USA I am not affected by long TAT's and I was used to CGC spending 6 months with my books before CBCS came along. CGC is also looking for ways to diversify there portafolio like the ebay thing and being exclusive to several shows, labels and what have you not. I follow both and store the announcements as I get them to have a historical record of how the slabbing industry is changing. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth That's a really good idea except they should do it directly through the publisher. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SpiderTim I sent 2 batches of books (March 2019, 6 books each, value tier/modern) to CBCS and CGC. CBCS had pressing and cgc did not. CBCS TATS were about 4 days less than cgc and CBCS had to press my 6 books. As for diversifying their portfolio, I'll give you that to a degree...i.e. Marvel labels and maybe the eBay thing but the exclusive deals is nothing more than a monopolistic, anti competitive strategy. There's nothing creative or innovative or helpful to the hobby about "exclusdive" deals. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Interesting that you mention monopoly. I send all my grading to CBCS for one reason above all others. The #1 single most important reason: I think it is incredibly important to the industry to have more than one grading option. And if it's good for the industry, it's good for me. If there's more than one option, you're a customer. If there is only one option, you're a dependent. When CGC was the only legitimate game in town I felt very, very small...like a dependent. |
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| I use both. I find CBCS appears to grade more accurately than the cgc. Some would say CBCS is more strict. I prefer the term accurate. I would rather buy a CBCS 9.6 as opposed to a 9.6 from the cgc. I feel I am getting a nicer book. I'm sure both companies have their fair share of gift grades and under graded books. It's nice to have a choice. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I have yet to sell a CBCS graded book for less than its counterpart from the cgc. That being said, I never auction CBCS books. They are always BIN. Why give someone the opportunity to pay you less money? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I wish I could say the same. I've had an Eternals #1 9.4 white listed for about 2 weeks at $275+$14. In that time I've seen about 5 CGC copies go for higher prices. A few at lower prices, but only in auctions. This time I decided to include the grader notes in the description...I'm starting to think that might be a mistake for high-grade comics. Probably doesn't make them any more desirable to see the few defects highlighted. You're absolutely right about auctions, unless the item is in very low supply there is little chance the auction prices will go above what you could BIN for...just takes a little more patience to sell. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller This is propaganda. After CGC launched their crossover service, people started sharing their results. Based on my own brief observations - grades that changed from the original case were almost 50/50 +/- condition. |
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| I don't have many CBCS slabs to go from but to my eyes the labels are.....just lacking. The slabs themselves are nice and the various services are as good as it gets except in the area of customer service and communications. The labels themselves tend to be offputting, and what you would expect from a high school art project |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town I agree. They're infinitely better than PGX, though. One aspect I like over the current CGC labels is that, while the grade is larger and readily-readable, it's not highlighted to the effect of the current CGC ones (with the white sticker contrasting the label and the black grade text contrasting the sticker). |
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| I personally find the CBCS label to be better. The CGC label is more eye-grabbing, especially the holographic sticker, which is the exact opposite of what I want. I want my eye to go to the book. I also prefer the CBCS slab itself as opposed to the CGC slab with a shelf/indent in the back. | ||
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| I prefer the CBCS labels and casing myself, but those CGC Marvel themed labels are pretty nice! I would love to see CBCS do something similar for their labels in the future. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by B3Chandler If there’s any significant event/appearance in the book, that special label displaces the notation to the back of the slab label. Just so you know. I wish it didn’t do that. |
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| wouldn't the easiest way to test is submit to cbcs get grades Crack the cases and send the un slabbed books to cgc to get graded and compare the final grades |
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| I don't like the 'custom' CGC labels at all. I have OCD, so I wouldn't be able to stand having X-Men labels, while no Batman or Superman ones. I prefer a standard look to all of my cases. |
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| In think cbcs has a much better overall look than cgc in terms of colour logo , fonts etc but the positioning of the smaller text always looks out of alignment with everything else on the label ( why is info about the comic arbitrarily offset underneath but left aligned to the right of center to the comic book title above it ) They just need to go into InDesign and set clear margins so every slab doesn't look like the page slipped through the printing process . |
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