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Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944
Ive heard some stories about books that have been pressed(restored) that have reverted back after time.

Is this a plausible thing that can happen? The Pressing(Restoration) wearing off over time?

Yes. It is basically "paper memory". The paper wants to go back to shape it had for most of its' life. It's my understanding that severe spine rolls account for a lot of that.

Mind you, this is why pressing TATs can be long. Many times, especially for older books, the pressers allow the comics to sit for a while (up to a few days I believe) to see if anything reverts back and they need to press it again. Quick pressing TATs is not necessarily a good thing.

Mind you, all this is just general knowledge that I have gathered. I may be off on some things like the amount of time they let a book sit - maybe it is up to a week?? And remember that talking specifics is not allowed here.

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Originally Posted by Bigredone1944
So exactly how is that possible with no liquid? Industrial Press that introduces Steam Vapor? It can't just be a big waited press can it? There has to be some kind of steam(water) involved?

That is getting close to specifics, I believe. I will say that water (in any form) is not always a part of professional pressing. I have to leave it at that.

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	Quote: Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Whew! All that typing........ and still Pressing is altering books and still considered restoration in my book. I don't know why all the hostility over my opinion on the matter. Question? Are chemicals involved in any way shape or form when these "Cleaning" and "Pressing" services are performed? As for the bag and board theory? I have to believe there are exponentially more comic books stewing in cheap 30 year old bags and boards, than there are one's being changed out every 5 years or so. If you guys promise not to tell..... Im actually having CBCS Press(Restore) a few books myself. Oppps! All that typing and still yes...the hostility is not for your opinion Sir, you are more than welcome to think what you like. I had suggested above your statements regarding pressing and cleaning amount to the same logic as suggesting using bags and boards is restoration. It is very clearly the same form of argument and most here saw and agree that is the case.It is an accurate assessment ….you are equating one harmless process with another. Attempting to then take the extreme form of one to justify your ideas about the other is flawed. Your response was to ridicule and taunt and insult..."Nice try with the silly analogy." "Nice try" being a preemptive effort at dismissing the comment in a taunting manner,and referring to it as silly, being insulting and belittling . When you take that tact with people expect an unfavorable reaction. Your ongoing posts suggest you have no knowledge of how either cleaning or pressing is done and despite that you continue stating it …."Pressing is altering books and still considered restoration in my book." You can consider it whatever you like...people here are only attempting to explain the missing pieces in your understanding. It might help your understanding better if you spent the time and effort to research and understand the steps involved in the process before forming your beliefs rather than the reverse, as most people here seem to do. the books are not altered from THEIR ORIGINAL PRINTED STATE..but rather returned to it. That is the accepted definition within the industry for something that is not restoration. Restoration by industry standards is when something is added to the book that was not present before..inks, dyes, patching, color, or tape, glue, etc Those standards existed prior to the rise of pressing and cleaning services and were in print in overstreet books for years long before pressing and cleaning became a source of revenue for some grading services. Dry cleaning itself involves no chemicals, and further utilizes methods accepted by the Library of Congress for cleaning and removing soiling, oils and dirt in handling many of this countries most treasured documents and relics. Any form of cleaning that utilizes bleaches or dyes, is detectable easily and draws the restoration flag upon grading...as it should . Some comics do revert or return to their bent or folded state after pressing......they may have possibly been stored in a humid place for a long period with a flaw or bend until it was heavily impressed into the paper fibers. It does happen....but is not the common result. As wraith said, calling pressing or cleaning restoration is …..pulling a long bow and one that industry professonals ,and experts in the field of restoration do not agree with and did not long before pressing and cleaning became profitable. Think what you like...your opinion is welcome, but also does not match the accepted industry consensus
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	Quote: Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 It can't just be a big waited press can it? If you've been tracking that CBCS pressing TAT at all, you know it certainly is a big wait :-(
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	Pressing doesn't make a rip in a page vanish or add a missing piece to a page .. it doesn't change the colors to be closer to original condition or fix a rusty staple . It just flattens a book without adding anything to it.. it's the exact same comic before pressing as after , just flatter .. Calling it restoration is drawing a long bow imo .
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	Reversion only takes place if the process is rushed. You have to take into account humidifying a book since paper strength itself is based on the hydrogen bonds. Anyone who uses chemicals is restoring a book. Whether CBCS or CGC can detect it is not the issue.
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	Just got it back. Came back same grade looks much nicer surprised it didn’t get a 8.5. But much better looking 8.0
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	Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke No. It would not help or give you a grade bump. If it did, it would be a 0.5 at best and not justify the grading fees, shipping fees, and pressing fees.
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	But a .5 is worth the fees if it did get a bump well worth the risk for this book
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	@Steverogers11 It was the light foxing that kept it at an 8.0, but at least you do have a much nicer 8.0.
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	@Steverogers11 Quote: Originally Posted by Steverogers11 Just got it back. Came back same grade looks much nicer surprised it didn’t get a 8.5. But much better looking 8.0 Incredible book!! I am looking for one myself. I'm looking to trade for one. Congrats on a great book!
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