Detective Comics 359 CBCS 9.2 - Trying to figure out the timeline.9681
 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico one reason would be that he would have been all over social media (forums) he would have wanted his pound of flesh. Or, if he did just contact CBCS and said that it was their fault and they believed that it was, they would have bought the book back so that this very thing that is happening wouldn't happen. I know if i paid for my mistake, I would need to get the book back. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Not if he/she was paid a certain amount of money to drop the matter and stay silent about it. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico pretty sure it doesn't work that way. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico If they were paid off, I'm pretty sure the deal would have included returning the slab to CBCS and not selling it on ComicLink. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico Not possible, they would not have paid someone hoping they would keep silent (unless they're the stupidest people i've ever heard of) they would've demanded the book back. anything else would be silly. |
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| @robertofredrico Yes, that is a possibility. However, I believe it would be an extraordinary person to not complain publicly. He obviously was not a die hard CBCS customer, so what would stop him from publicly complaining? Could it be that a deal was worked out with CBCS? Certainly. However, if a deal was worked out, I'd expect CBCS to want the comic in their possession. Anything else doesn't make any practical business sense. Mind you, everybody in this scenario is assuming that the same person bought the CBCS and sold the CGC. It's quite possible that it switched hands in between. All of this is speculation on our part. But given the FACTS that have been uncovered, I believe my summation lists the 5 most likely scenarios. If you notice, I did not mention anything about who owned it or why anything was done. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O And folks pls read that list carefully!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Quite true. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Nope, it don't. |
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| . Why would CBCS take responsibility for anything? Anything could have happened to that book after it was cracked out of the CBCS slab. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kav Okay @Kav, it might be my imagination, but that sounds like a set up. Care to tell the whole class what is on your mind? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O He's saying that because he initially missed "#5" on your list by not reading it carefully. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O well i didnt read carefully and boy did I look dum when I said 'maybe CGC didnt notate grease pencil on graders notes- |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kav Oh, got ya!!! LOL!!! Here I thought I had a major typo or inadvertently made some comment that was inappropriate. Not everything means the same today as what I remember it being, ie peckerwood. It has a whole new meaning now!!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O  |
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| @Jesse_O Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O Damn! Look at you throwing the p-word around like it ain’t no thang. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kav Really, only (1) and (5) are viable possibilities. The others just couldn't have happened. Missing a date on the back cover? Absurd, IMO. Two things I think keep this person from publicly lamenting poor grading practices and his bad luck. You have to put yourself in his / her shoes. He took a gamble and lost, and only some of it is somebody else's fault. And, it isn't his book anymore. How to complain? To what end? I can easily see him thinking it won't do any good. But I say it's partially his fault because he overpaid for a 9.2 he thought he could improve. $10,500 for a grade that last sold in January for $7000 (according to GPA). A 9.4 sold in February at HA for $9600; and a 9.0, also in January, sold for about $4000. So $10,500 was too much. And he DID improve it. But it also had a little ("Slight - C1" ) restoration. Damn. Well, he probably figured that would cut the value down by maybe 30%. Still enough to almost break even, he thinks, because in his mind a 9.4 is worth close to $15,000, or even more. 9.4's just don't come up very often. In August of last year one sold for $12,000. Last one in GPA before that was Nov 2015, for $6000. That's a pretty good trajectory. Doubling in less than three years? That's a 25% year-over-year increase. Which puts the value of that August 2018 $12k sale at about $15k today. If he thinks a 9.2 with C&P possibilities is worth $10,500, then he also thinks a 9.4 will go for $15,000, absent restoration. With restoration? Maybe $9000 or $10,000. Or even $8000? Surely no less than that. Anyway, it didn't. Not even close. Sold at auction for less than $900. That's only 6% of what he thought it was worth unrestored! That just shouldn't happen. A 9.4, even restored, should NOT have sold for so little. So that was a big shock. And he's probably pissed, but also mad at himself and embarrassed. He took a gamble and lost big. Here's what I think: 1) There is no trimming. CGC has made a false positive here before, and they will do it again, because mistakes happen. In an infamous example from a few years ago (A JIM 83) they did this because they looked at the distribution ink on the pages, didn't see it on the cover, and so assumed the cover had been trimmed. 2) Less certain: there is no color touch or tear seal. From the notes it looks like they are counting the "small distro ink sop through top edge" as color touch. Maybe it just showed up under a black light? And likewise, they thought that spot had "non-archival material" for a tear seal? A tear seal can be anything, from glue or tape to saliva. But once you spot something you think is restoration, it is much easier to suspect other types of restoration, too. So I think the "trimming" influenced the interpretation of ambiguous evidence. By the way, I just looked for the 9.4 PLOD sale on CL and couldn't find it. I managed to find the page, as I had it marked, but it isn't coming up in search results like the 9.2 sale is. I wonder if they are doing something on the back end there? Or maybe they just don't want to highlight a lower-than-expected sale? Not sure. But it is strange. Can anyone else find it? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kav Isn't the first time... LOL. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus If you climb up higher the fruit is much better at the top. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid I don't trust any of the high end dealers when it comes to manipulating prices. Absolutely nothing stops them from having 2 or 3 shell companies and then sell the same book back and forth to themselves to make it look like it's going up in value. GPA just aids and abets. |
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