Detective Comics 359 CBCS 9.2 - Trying to figure out the timeline.9681

Originally Posted by Jesse_O
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Originally Posted by Kav
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Originally Posted by Jesse_O
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
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The Detective Comics #359 Grader’s Notes GoFundMe page has reached the goal of $5 thanks to @DocBrown

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Detective Comics #359 CGC Certification #: 2032899001


Color touch (Non-archival material small areas) Top Front Cover C-1

Tear seals to cover (Non-archival material) Top Front Cover C-1

light spine stress lines breaks color

trimmed full right of whole book

trimmed full top of whole book

Thanks @CaptainCanuck and DocBrown.

There is not a note about the date being written in grease pen on the back cover. That leaves us with 5 possibilities as far as I can tell:

1) the grease pen was removed - IMO this indicates that a restoration attempt may have been made.
2) CGC missed the grease pen - IMO unlikely
3) CBCS noted a grease pen date where was none - IMO nearly impossible
4) This is not the same book
5) CGC saw the grease pen and didn't note it - IMO - unlikely but possible

Take your pick.

Grader's notes are not comprehensive. If book has grease pen, that does not mean they will note it in grader's notes.

I'm pretty sure I covered that in option 5.

Originally Posted by Jesse_O
I believe it has been adequately proven that without pictures, the owners statement or further data, finding out exactly what happened here is impossible. To continue to say unequivocally that CGC got it wrong or CBCS got it wrong is not supportable with the information we have. IMO, to flat out claim one or the other is adolescent behavior and ignorant. Both scenarios are possible and neither scenario is possible at this point.

Originally Posted by Buzzetta
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Originally Posted by Jesse_O
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
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The Detective Comics #359 Grader’s Notes GoFundMe page has reached the goal of $5 thanks to @DocBrown

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Detective Comics #359 CGC Certification #: 2032899001


Color touch (Non-archival material small areas) Top Front Cover C-1

Tear seals to cover (Non-archival material) Top Front Cover C-1

light spine stress lines breaks color

trimmed full right of whole book

trimmed full top of whole book

Thanks @CaptainCanuck and DocBrown.

There is not a note about the date being written in grease pen on the back cover. That leaves us with 5 possibilities as far as I can tell:

1) the grease pen was removed - IMO this indicates that a restoration attempt may have been made.
2) CGC missed the grease pen - IMO unlikely
3) CBCS noted a grease pen date where was none - IMO nearly impossible
4) This is not the same book
5) CGC saw the grease pen and didn't note it - IMO - unlikely but possible

Take your pick.

This is my take on it. I believe that CBCS missed the trimming but that CGC overgraded / or is mistaken about the color touch that was not there. The scenario has some merit where the buyer overpaid for the CBCS version then cracked and pressed it. When the book got a grade bump but came back restored the seller thought he would auction it and not lose as much as he did... at that point... he has no argument because the book is out of his hands. We may not have heard from him though because after he lost almost $9,500 he may have just taken a gun in a drunken despair / rage and offed himself.

As was privately pointed out to me... we don't know if CBCS OR CGC coughed and made the buyer or seller or whoever had possession of the book whole. Like I have said, CBCS has missed stuff in my submissions and CGC did too. In both cases they were Golden Age Books for what it is worth. Mistakes happen.

With that though... I do not know when... but I will be around. I will be back on my side of the yard. It was a fun visit y'all. Anyone who wants, knows how to get in touch.

Originally Posted by Tedsaid
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Originally Posted by Jesse_O
I believe it has been adequately proven that without pictures, the owners statement or further data, finding out exactly what happened here is impossible. To continue to say unequivocally that CGC got it wrong or CBCS got it wrong is not supportable with the information we have. IMO, to flat out claim one or the other is adolescent behavior and ignorant. Both scenarios are possible and neither scenario is possible at this point.

Maybe we should just shoot Douglas over at CL an email, ask him what he knows about it? I imagine he - or someone there - got an earful about the thing coming back restored, and then not getting much at auction. Heck, ComicLink might have even sent it in to CGC for the buyer / seller, for the CPR, and fronted the costs like they do.

Originally Posted by sportshort
@CaptainCanuck, as i mentioned before i believe that if it came back restored and the person didn't restore it themselves they would be raising Kane with CBCS so I don't think that's the case. I think the owner had the restoration done, that's why there was no yelling and no re-submitting to CBCS. My theory.

Originally Posted by robertofredrico
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Originally Posted by Jesse_O
The fact that the owner did not protest to high heaven when he got a CGC restored label speaks volumes here.

How do you know that the owner wasn't upset and protesting?

For all we know, he was immediately on the phone with CBCS when he got the CGC grade.

The response he got could have been anywhere from "Nothing we can do. We have no liablity, etc." all the way to "We'll compensate you for $_____ and your silence."

If anything like the later did happen, surely you don't think that Steve Borock, Steve Ricketts or someone else would come here on the chatbaord and say: "Wow, guys! Heck of a day here at the office today that I want to tell you all about! It started when we got this angry phone call..."

Originally Posted by GAC
If the owner was upset/protesting EVERYONE would know about it.

Originally Posted by robertofredrico
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Originally Posted by GAC
If the owner was upset/protesting EVERYONE would know about it.

Not if he/she was paid a certain amount of money to drop the matter and stay silent about it.