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Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock 7.34K	7.34K Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Kav Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid Quote: Originally Posted by Kav You know that movie about the forensic accountant that was a forensic accountant and also a hit-man? Wasn't that movie called ... The Accountant? With Batman playing the forensic accountant hitman? Yeah, he had a sweet collection of comics. Yes and he handled them EXACTLY like someone with an Action #1 would do too. Hahahaha ... the way he just dropped them in a duffel bag? Oh, man. I'm not the only one to cringe at that, amirite?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid Quote: Originally Posted by Kav Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid Quote: Originally Posted by Kav You know that movie about the forensic accountant that was a forensic accountant and also a hit-man? Wasn't that movie called ... The Accountant? With Batman playing the forensic accountant hitman? Yeah, he had a sweet collection of comics. Yes and he handled them EXACTLY like someone with an Action #1 would do too. Hahahaha ... the way he just dropped them in a duffel bag? Oh, man. I'm not the only one to cringe at that, amirite? AND the way he just GRIPPED them popping staples like crazy I'm sure-
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O At the 1:10-1:11 mark you glimpse the Action #1. Neat
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	Early drafts of the film had him rolling it up and stuffing in back pocket-
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	@DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I do not see evidence of the top edge being trimmed (not with the photos provided). The distance gap from the top edge of black half squares is the same height and width. Not only that, but, why? Why would the top edge be trimmed when there is no evidence of chipping or flaking? This. CBCS notes do not indicate any chipping, flaking or notches out of the edges. Thus, no need to trim, or “micro-trim” before resubmitting to CGC. CBCS missed the resto. There wasn't any of those things on the books Jason Ewert trimmed either. That's what made it so perfect and hard to detect. There was no chipping, flaking or notches or any of those things before Ewert trimmed? Then, why would he trim?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck @DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I do not see evidence of the top edge being trimmed (not with the photos provided). The distance gap from the top edge of black half squares is the same height and width. Not only that, but, why? Why would the top edge be trimmed when there is no evidence of chipping or flaking? This. CBCS notes do not indicate any chipping, flaking or notches out of the edges. Thus, no need to trim, or “micro-trim” before resubmitting to CGC. CBCS missed the resto. There wasn't any of those things on the books Jason Ewert trimmed either. That's what made it so perfect and hard to detect. There was no chipping, flaking or notches or any of those things before Ewert trimmed? Then, why would he trim? To bump the grade....... get more money... to fly to the moon... to frame a pope.... to pick his nose hairs out.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck @DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke I do not see evidence of the top edge being trimmed (not with the photos provided). The distance gap from the top edge of black half squares is the same height and width. Not only that, but, why? Why would the top edge be trimmed when there is no evidence of chipping or flaking? This. CBCS notes do not indicate any chipping, flaking or notches out of the edges. Thus, no need to trim, or “micro-trim” before resubmitting to CGC. CBCS missed the resto. There wasn't any of those things on the books Jason Ewert trimmed either. That's what made it so perfect and hard to detect. There was no chipping, flaking or notches or any of those things before Ewert trimmed? Then, why would he trim? Like @GanaSoth said, to bump the grade. He wouldn't trim crap. He micro trimmed already beautiful books to get those 9.6s and 9.8s. What he did... It's really a shame. Just like the Detective 359 was already a nice book at 9.2.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid Quote: Originally Posted by X51 A tear seal would be easily detected with a black light, but CBCS does not use a black light. Really? Huh. Well, I guess that does cut down on false positives. Black lights pick up special inks sometimes, looks like water damage. I had that happen to a copy of Monstross #1. Knocked a 9.8 down to a 9.2. I was so annoyed. I had to send it back for re-grading. It came back a 9.8 the second time. They've said multiple times that they don't use them. I thought that was odd.
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
Why would the top edge be trimmed when there is no evidence of chipping or flaking?

@kaptainmyke asks and no bullsh*t answers.

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Originally Posted by GanaSoth
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
There was no chipping, flaking or notches or any of those things before Ewert trimmed? Then, why would he trim?

To bump the grade....... get more money... to fly to the moon... to frame a pope.... to pick his nose hairs out.

I ask the same thing and I get a bullsh*t answer lmao

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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 60.07K	60.07K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Why would the top edge be trimmed when there is no evidence of chipping or flaking? @kaptainmyke asks and no bullsht answers. Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck There was no chipping, flaking or notches or any of those things before Ewert trimmed? Then, why would he trim?* To bump the grade....... get more money... to fly to the moon... to frame a pope.... to pick his nose hairs out. I ask the same thing and I get a bullsh*t answer lmao The first two are dead bang. The last three are fertilizer. This is just my opinion, but I bet it was also a big ego boost and adrenaline rush to get those grades and sneak past the cgc at the same time.
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
Why would the top edge be trimmed when there is no evidence of chipping or flaking?

@kaptainmyke asks and no bullsh*t answers.

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Originally Posted by GanaSoth
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
There was no chipping, flaking or notches or any of those things before Ewert trimmed? Then, why would he trim?

To bump the grade....... get more money... to fly to the moon... to frame a pope.... to pick his nose hairs out.

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I ask the same thing and I get a bullsh*t answer lmao

People like Myke though....

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	I shouldn't have said that... (above) it was mean. I take it back @CaptainCanuck People like you too...
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	Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth I shouldn't have said that... (above) it was mean. I take it back @CaptainCanuck People like you too... p I for one land on the “like” @captainCanuck side. Rock on @CaptainCanuck!
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O I tend to agree that it is the same book, trimmed and color touched by the buyer, regraded by CGC and sold for a loss. However ... Quote: Originally Posted by Buzzetta The CGC version of this book was graded after that as the notes indicate a grade date of April, 2019. If you can look up the notes to get a date, why not share the rest of the notes?? That single factor has me convinced that it is because CGC does not note the grease pen. This whole discussion of "is it the same book or not" is pretty much squashed if they do. So the fact that the notes have not been shared tells me that it is not mentioned. Therefore, did CGC miss something as obvious as a grease pen??? Or was it removed?? I have worked with grease pens in the automotive market and I'm 99.9% positive that chemicals are needed to remove them. If you don't use chemicals, you'd need to do some serious scraping. The verification system was used to find out the date the book was graded. CBCS does not offer a date that a book was graded when you enter the serial number but CGC does. I did not buy the notes so I am not holding any information back. I will take your comment not as one of a criticism of my character as to not raise unnecessary drama and chalk it up to the fact that you did not know that or I did not word my phrasing correctly. Now as far as who missed what... Who knows? I have had a book go through the grading system that revealed a separate set of notes on the restoration. CGC determined it to be one thing in their holder. When submitted to CBCS they (CBCS) missed something that I knew existed from seeing the book raw. However CGC had noted it. When I brought it back to CGC to have in my 'set' with their recent turnover program, CGC got the book right. In another instance though, I had a book go through CGC where they (CGC) entirely missed a defect and added a defect to the notes that I knew was not true. That was eventually rectified. BOTH companies are not infallible. BOTH companies have missed things over the years. Either way... back to CLink. There is more artwork I plan on winning tonight. Got two of the three pages I wanted so far.
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	he did folks i've seen em
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	. Since those on both the CBCS and CGC forums are too cheap to purchase the CGC Grader’s Notes (myself included) here’s a GoFundMe page lmao Detective Comics #359 Grader’s Notes Needed
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Since those on both the CBCS and CGC forums are too cheap to purchase the CGC Grader’s Notes (myself included) here’s a GoFundMe page lmao Detective Comics #359 Needed Lol!!!!!!!!!!! Gold!!!!!!
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Buzzetta The verification system was used to find out the date the book was graded. CBCS does not offer a date that a book was graded when you enter the serial number but CGC does. I did not buy the notes so I am not holding any information back. I will take your comment not as one of a criticism of my character as to not raise unnecessary drama and chalk it up to the fact that you did not know that or I did not word my phrasing correctly. How did you verify it with CGC? I just tried entering that certification number - 2032899001 - and it is showing that it doesn't exist, as if it has been re-regraded.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid How did you verify it with CGC? I just tried entering that certification number - 2032899001 - and it is showing that it doesn't exist, as if it has been re-regraded. @Buzzetta Nevermind. Looks like the CGC verification tool is down just now.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Buzzetta Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O I tend to agree that it is the same book, trimmed and color touched by the buyer, regraded by CGC and sold for a loss. However ... Quote: Originally Posted by Buzzetta The CGC version of this book was graded after that as the notes indicate a grade date of April, 2019. If you can look up the notes to get a date, why not share the rest of the notes?? That single factor has me convinced that it is because CGC does not note the grease pen. This whole discussion of "is it the same book or not" is pretty much squashed if they do. So the fact that the notes have not been shared tells me that it is not mentioned. Therefore, did CGC miss something as obvious as a grease pen??? Or was it removed?? I have worked with grease pens in the automotive market and I'm 99.9% positive that chemicals are needed to remove them. If you don't use chemicals, you'd need to do some serious scraping. The verification system was used to find out the date the book was graded. CBCS does not offer a date that a book was graded when you enter the serial number but CGC does. I did not buy the notes so I am not holding any information back. I will take your comment not as one of a criticism of my character as to not raise unnecessary drama and chalk it up to the fact that you did not know that or I did not word my phrasing correctly. Thank you for not taking my comment personally. It was not intended that way. A pet peeve of mine is that CGC will give you partial notes on a slab (such as the date) but charge you for the complete set of notes. My frustration over that caused me to lash out a bit about it. I agree that both companies make mistakes. I believe they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Neither one is perfect. I believe that the emergence of CBCS has made CGC make changes and improve as a company. Competition is good. In this case, I believe the simplest answer is the correct one. Let's take the whole CGC vs CBCS issue out of this. What would cause a comic to go from a 9.2 universal to a 9.4 restored? The obvious answer is that someone did restoration work on it. Just because you or I would not do that to this book, doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't. A grade bump or two could result in a profit of hundreds of dollars. The fact that the owner did not protest to high heaven when he got a CGC restored label speaks volumes here. I believe someone tried to restore it and get it past CGC for a universal label. I have heard many stories of newer "collectors" doing just that. They claim to use techniques that the grading companies can't detect. Their attempt failed miserably in this instance. It is the simplest explanation and I believe it is the correct one for this situation.
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	. Good News - The Detective Comics #359 Grader’s Notes GoFundMe page has reached the goal of $5 thanks to @DocBrown Bad News - The Verify CGC Certification tool is down at the moment
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck . Good News - The Detective Comics #359 Grader’s Notes GoFundMe page has reached the goal of $5 thanks to @DocBrown Bad News - The The Verify CGC Certification tool is down at the moment That't fantastic news! I love to see money put to good use. Humanity wins!!!
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	. The Detective Comics #359 Grader’s Notes GoFundMe page has reached the goal of $5 thanks to @DocBrown ————————————————- Detective Comics #359 CGC Certification #: 2032899001 Color touch (Non-archival material small areas) Top Front Cover C-1 Tear seals to cover (Non-archival material) Top Front Cover C-1 light spine stress lines breaks color trimmed full right of whole book trimmed full top of whole book
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	Cornfield Comics says CGC is wrong, the comic wasn't trimmed.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck . The Detective Comics #359 Grader’s Notes GoFundMe page has reached the goal of $5 thanks to @DocBrown ————————————————- Detective Comics #359 CGC Certification #: 2032899001 Color touch (Non-archival material small areas) Top Front Cover C-1 Tear seals to cover (Non-archival material) Top Front Cover C-1 light spine stress lines breaks color trimmed full right of whole book trimmed full top of whole book Thanks @CaptainCanuck and DocBrown. There is not a note about the date being written in grease pen on the back cover. That leaves us with 5 possibilities as far as I can tell: 1) the grease pen was removed - IMO this indicates that a restoration attempt may have been made. 2) CGC missed the grease pen - IMO unlikely 3) CBCS noted a grease pen date where was none - IMO nearly impossible 4) This is not the same book 5) CGC saw the grease pen and didn't note it - IMO - unlikely but possible Take your pick.
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	. Although I was originally convinced that CBCS missed the resto, the following scenario seems somewhat possible. CBCS book cracked out to remove grease pen from back cover and attempt to remove black mark in checkerboard. Grease pen removed successfully, but checkerboard fix botched by a tear and in need of “non-archival” material. As far as micro-trimming, who knows!? Maybe before, maybe after, maybe not at all. If this theory shows up on the CGC thread, I want credit lol
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Siggy Reinstate @DocBrown! oh, god no please don't
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck . The Detective Comics #359 Grader’s Notes GoFundMe page has reached the goal of $5 thanks to @DocBrown ————————————————- Detective Comics #359 CGC Certification #: 2032899001 Color touch (Non-archival material small areas) Top Front Cover C-1 Tear seals to cover (Non-archival material) Top Front Cover C-1 light spine stress lines breaks color trimmed full right of whole book trimmed full top of whole book Thanks @CaptainCanuck and DocBrown. There is not a note about the date being written in grease pen on the back cover. That leaves us with 5 possibilities as far as I can tell: 1) the grease pen was removed - IMO this indicates that a restoration attempt may have been made. 2) CGC missed the grease pen - IMO unlikely 3) CBCS noted a grease pen date where was none - IMO nearly impossible 4) This is not the same book 5) CGC saw the grease pen and didn't note it - IMO - unlikely but possible Take your pick. Grader's notes are not comprehensive. If book has grease pen, that does not mean they will note it in grader's notes.
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