Detective Comics 359 CBCS 9.2 - Trying to figure out the timeline.9681
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| I tend to agree that it is the same book, trimmed and color touched by the buyer, regraded by CGC and sold for a loss. However ... Quote: Originally Posted by Buzzetta If you can look up the notes to get a date, why not share the rest of the notes?? That single factor has me convinced that it is because CGC does not note the grease pen. This whole discussion of "is it the same book or not" is pretty much squashed if they do. So the fact that the notes have not been shared tells me that it is not mentioned. Therefore, did CGC miss something as obvious as a grease pen??? Or was it removed?? I have worked with grease pens in the automotive market and I'm 99.9% positive that chemicals are needed to remove them. If you don't use chemicals, you'd need to do some serious scraping. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort Sorry. I just skimmed the thread. You're welcome to the credit. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Nope, here's the great thing about coming to the same conclusion independently, It helps validate our theory. thanks! |
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| Is there any chance this actually was Ewert? | ||
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| Well, here's what I think: I don't think there is any way these are two different books. The argument FOR two books was strong, but they can be explained away by different slabs and scanners. For me, the key is the bottom staple. Someone mentioned the oxidation pattern on it, which is exactly the same. That level of randomness matching up is just unbelievable. Besides that, there are the two tiny c.b. spine ticks to the left of Batman's leg, which are in EXACTLY the same place. And these are in the grader's notes. (And one more at the top of the bottom staple; and two to the left of "The Million Dollar." ) Too many tiny, random things line up. Meanwhile, the missing lines and appearing dot can be explained by debris, I think, and differences in slabs and scanners. I don't think it was restored between slabs. To do that would be not only unethical, but PHENOMENALLY stupid. So, it is unlikely, in my opinion. Between CBCS missing resto and CGC catching same, I'd have to put my money on CBCS. But it's not clear cut, as CBCS could have missed it, or CGC mistook an ink blot for "color touch." What confuses me here, though, is the "tear seal on cover." Not resto - a tear seal is conservation. And I don't actually know what a tear seal looks like. I assume it is hard to mistake for something else? Is it specialty tape? A drop of glue? I can definitely see CBCS missing a tiny drop of glue, and likewise I can see CGC wrongly counting a touch of binder's glue as a "tear seal." But if it's specialty tape, that's hard to understand, either way. And it doesn't make sense that it was added in between slabs. No tears are noted. Unless it was torn by a C&P? Anyway, I think the owner looked at that grease pencil mark, thought a clean and press would easily remove that and help the grade, and then got burned with CGC noting things that CBCS did not, in terms of resto. (And if he didn't use a good presser, or just had bad luck, then the tear happened with that, and they then sealed it.) I also think he may have complained to ComicLink after the resto was "detected." I sure would. But what could they do? "It sucks, but it happens" was probably their response. Very sympathetic, but nothing you can do. Anyway, I think he guessed a bump in grade to 9.4, plus SLIGHT (C-1) resto, would not hurt him on the sale. The increase from 9.2 to 9.4 is about a 90% increase in value, and slight resto, most people would figure, reduces value by perhaps 40% to 50%. So it looks like a wash. ($6000 + 90% = $11,400. Reduce $11,400 by 40% and you get $6840.) And so he put it up for auction. And got BURNED. Over a 90% drop! Ouch. But then what do you do? It's not your book anymore. You lost money on an auction, and can't go back for a do-over. Even if you want to complain to CBCS or CGC, what good would it do? It SHOULD have been a wash, and the guy got a steal (in his mind). Mostly, it was just bad luck at auction. I'll tell you what, though. I would LOVE to buy that comic for $1000 and send it to CBCS, on the greater-than-50%-chance CGC "spotted" resto that isn't there. (Well ... greater than 50% chance in my opinion.) That would definitely be worth a gamble. At that point, you can really only win, because the value can't drop much below $1000; and even restored, it would probably go up in value. It's gambling maybe $100 on commissions lost for a potential $9000 gain. |
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| A tear seal would be easily detected with a black light, but CBCS does not use a black light. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| This forum: I never buy a one-picture comic on eBay, there's just not enough information and you don't know what's happening with the book. Also this forum: here's 6 pages of Zapruder-level analysis of only the cover of a book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke This. CBCS notes do not indicate any chipping, flaking or notches out of the edges. Thus, no need to trim, or “micro-trim” before resubmitting to CGC. CBCS missed the resto. |
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| I think the FBI should send us some unsolved cases and pics. We could crack some cases, and I don't mean slabs. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by gotham44 I wish! |
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| We're like that forensic accountant in that movie where the forensic accountant had an Action #1 | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kav I don't know what you're talking about but... just like that. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Maybe the buyer damaged the right side taking it out of the CBCS slab, then went ahead and micro trimmed the damaged edge or had a professional do it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort You know that movie about the forensic accountant that was a forensic accountant and also a hit-man? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kav Ben Affleck? (my head hurts) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kav Wasn't that movie called ... The Accountant? With Batman playing the forensic accountant hitman? Yeah, he had a sweet collection of comics. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort Yep the one where ben affleck played an forensic accountant who was an forensic accountant who killed people in order to buy Action #1 and some others. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by X51 Really? Huh. Well, I guess that does cut down on false positives. Black lights pick up special inks sometimes, looks like water damage. I had that happen to a copy of Monstross #1. Knocked a 9.8 down to a 9.2. I was so annoyed. I had to send it back for re-grading. It came back a 9.8 the second time. |
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| At the 1:10-1:11 mark you glimpse the Action #1. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Yes and he handled them EXACTLY like someone with an Action #1 would do too. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck There wasn't any of those things on the books Jason Ewert trimmed either. That's what made it so perfect and hard to detect. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kav Hahahaha ... the way he just dropped them in a duffel bag? Oh, man. I'm not the only one to cringe at that, amirite? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid AND the way he just GRIPPED them popping staples like crazy I'm sure- |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Neat |
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| Early drafts of the film had him rolling it up and stuffing in back pocket- | ||
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| @DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson There was no chipping, flaking or notches or any of those things before Ewert trimmed? Then, why would he trim? |
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