Detective Comics 359 CBCS 9.2 - Trying to figure out the timeline.9681

Originally Posted by Kav
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Originally Posted by GanaSoth
If this is the same comic, it was cut AFTER CBCS graded it. Look at the pic here, is shows the cover in the CBCS slab covers more of the interior pages than it does in the CGC slab. Mystery Solved.

camera was slightly more to the right in second pic. Mystery solved.

Originally Posted by Kav
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Originally Posted by Zombie_Head
You can plainly see that’s not the same book. Delete this post moderators.

close up ink stain both books:

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Originally Posted by GanaSoth
@Kav BS

you were there when pics were taken and measured camera position?

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Originally Posted by Zombie_Head
You can plainly see that’s not the same book. Delete this post moderators.

close up ink stain both books:

There’s too many differences between the two. Unless after CBCS graded it and who ever bought it touched up the ink on the cover then sent it back in to CGC. That I might buy. As for the trimming CBCS can’t tell a real Stan Lee signature so it’s possibke they missed that too. Lol

Originally Posted by mattness
The Graders notes:

Detective Comics #359

DC1 1967

Variant:
Pedigree:

9.2



Certified
Off-White/White


Signees:



Notes:
small distro ink sop through top edge
spine stress barely breaks color
arrival date top back cover in grease pen

cgc most likely viewed the distro ink sop for color touch

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@Kav BS

you were there when pics were taken and measured camera position?

If that's the case, then the spine would not be the same sizes. Yeah I was there and we used a scanner.

I was baffled by the obtuseness but then I realized no one wants their slabs to slip in value so say whatever might stick to tell people it's not the same book nothing to see here-
Or if its the same book must have been trimmed before CGC got it-
Now it makes sense.

You asked for opinions, then challenge their validity? I understand playing devil's advocate, but surely you must realize that the book COULD have been altered between each grading which is just as likely as CBCS missed something. You cannot dismiss is outright due to lack of evidence. I believe the CGC graders notes and a back cover scan of both books are needed in order to determine if they are, in fact, the same book. They appear to be the same to me, but the facts presented still leave doubt. If you do not believe the book was altered before CGC graded it, please present your theory.

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Originally Posted by GanaSoth
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Originally Posted by GanaSoth
@Kav BS

you were there when pics were taken and measured camera position?

If that's the case, then the spine would not be the same sizes. Yeah I was there and we used a scanner.

I was baffled by the obtuseness but then I realized no one wants their slabs to slip in value so say whatever might stick to tell people it's not the same book nothing to see here-
Or if its the same book must have been trimmed before CGC got it-
Now it makes sense.

You asked for opinions, then challenge their validity? I understand playing devil's advocate, but surely you must realize that the book COULD have been altered between each grading which is just as likely as CBCS missed something. You cannot dismiss is outright due to lack of evidence. I believe the CGC graders notes and a back cover scan of both books are needed in order to determine if they are, in fact, the same book. They appear to be the same to me, but the facts presented still leave doubt. If you do not believe the book was altered before CGC graded it, please present your theory.

I dont remember asking for opinions as for "If they are the same book" if this doesnt convince you nothing will-not even a DNA test:

Originally Posted by sportshort


without the much needed outrage from the buyer there is only one conclusion one can move to. the buyer did or had the comic book restored themselves and screwed themselves when they sold it.

any other theories? 'cause that's the best I could do.

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Originally Posted by GanaSoth
@Kav BS

you were there when pics were taken and measured camera position?

If that's the case, then the spine would not be the same sizes. Yeah I was there and we used a scanner.

I was baffled by the obtuseness but then I realized no one wants their slabs to slip in value so say whatever might stick to tell people it's not the same book nothing to see here-
Or if its the same book must have been trimmed before CGC got it-
Now it makes sense.

You asked for opinions, then challenge their validity? I understand playing devil's advocate, but surely you must realize that the book COULD have been altered between each grading which is just as likely as CBCS missed something. You cannot dismiss is outright due to lack of evidence. I believe the CGC graders notes and a back cover scan of both books are needed in order to determine if they are, in fact, the same book. They appear to be the same to me, but the facts presented still leave doubt. If you do not believe the book was altered before CGC graded it, please present your theory.

I dont remember asking for opinions as for "If they are the same book" if this doesnt convince you nothing will-not even a DNA test:

It does not convince me because there are other discrepancies just as compelling.

It wouldn't matter if there was a Hulk cover on this book the checkerboard section with the stain are exactly the same, try and duplicate a dot on such a small space and you will see that you can not. it is just like a fingerprint. whoever does not want to believe this does not want to be convinced.

Originally Posted by X51

If the comics were aligned evenly in a stack, tilted backwards, with even pressure applied to a marker, it is possible. Your reasoning is compelling, but some other blemishes disappeared and I would not rely upon a photograph to make that final decision.

Originally Posted by DrWatson
It's the same book cracked out of the CBCS holder, micro-trimmed, color touched, and resubmitted to the cgc hoping they would miss it like they did with the Ewert books years ago. That explains why the submitter to the cgc isn't raising holy hell after losing thousands on a cpr that went completely sideways.