Detective Comics 359 CBCS 9.2 - Trying to figure out the timeline.9681
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| @CaptainCanuck maybe they started at the right top edge of the comic and went down. That's how the cut looks. They didn't cut any from the top but at an slight South-West angle. | ||
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| @GanaSoth The CGC label states “Top and Right Edge Trimmed”. |
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| @CaptainCanuck how else can they describe it? They can't say "Trim started just under the top right edge then slowly went at an angle downwards toward the spine side of the comic." Haha To me it looks like the trim was after the CBCS case, and it started right below the top right corner, so the size wasn't compromised and less easy to detect. |
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| @GanaSoth When CGC states “TOP & RIGHT EDGE TRIMMED” on the label, it means they have determined that both the top edge and the right edge have been trimmed. |
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GanaSoth private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @CaptainCanuck if thats the way you perceive/interpret their text. Alls I'm saying is the comic was "modified" after the CBCS graded case. |
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| If @GanaSoth is correct about the trimming, perhaps the color touch is what was done by Batgirl's leg. If someone did these things to the comic after CBCS graded it, it would make sense that they wouldn't complain about taking a huge loss because they know they caused it. | ||
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| Going by the dayes, the book is DEFINITELY graded by CGC after CBCS had already graded it. That is not in question. | ||
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| @Buzzetta and we have pointed out the differences in the comic before (CBCS slab) and after (CGC). So clearly CBCS did not make a grading mistake as this thread implies. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Buzzetta Are you trying to say that because two 50 year old comics of the same issue were graded 8 months apart that they MUST be the same comic??? Really?? Where are the CGC notes?? Do they mention a date arrival written in grease pen on the back cover?? If they do, then the case that they are the same is stronger. If they don't, why not??? |
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| @GanaSoth Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth I don’t think “TOP & RIGHT EDGE TRIMMED” can be easily misinterpreted. The edges in both slabs are the same. |
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GanaSoth private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @CaptainCanuck what looks more professional (not to mention the small space): "Top Right Edge Trimmed" Or "Top Right Edge Trim starts just under the top right edge then slowly went at an angle downwards toward the spine side of the comic." |
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| @GanaSoth Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth You’re missing the word AND Top AND Right edge trimmed. That means Top Edge Trimmed PLUS Right Edge Trimmed. |
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@CaptainCanuck Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck So your correcting yourself now since I was quoting you.?. |
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| I believe it is the same book, and that the colors present slightly different in the different slabs. I also see numerous regions in the CGC slab where Newton rings/oil slick effect distort the cover. My guess is that it was CPR'd. I am not sure if anything else was done to the book, but maybe the pressing and cleaning helped to reveal the restoration/trimming, or it made the book appear to be trimmed. As I have stated in another thread, it is very difficult to "catch" or "see" some cases of trimming, due to so much natural variation in sizes and dimensions and look of SA and GA comics. | ||
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| @GanaSoth Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth What do you mean? The label has always said “TOP & RIGHT EDGE TRIMMED”. Show me where I “corrected” myself. |
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| @GanaSoth I mean this very respectively, but you do realize that the & symbol means AND right? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo That actually seems the most logical possibility. But I have heard of people who are new to the hobby trying new techniques of cleaning, color touching, restoring and pressing and then claiming that the grading companies aren't catching their "techniques". When I hear stuff like that and see something like this (especially when the claim is not coming from the person out $9,000+), I have red flags go up. Things aren't always cut and dried all the time. Could CBCS have screwed up and missed things, certainly. It happens with CGC also. Only thing is, no one ever caught CGC before because CGC was basically the only game in town. But even with that, I've heard of people submitting CGC restored books back to CGC and getting universal labels and vice versa. This is nothing new. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuckNot if they didn't trim the entire edge. |
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| Here are my two cents, assuming it's the same book. If i had been the guy that bought it then sent it to CGC and it came back "restored" and I never had it restored, i would've cracked it and sent it back to CBCS and complained like mad about the situation, rather than try and sell it at a huge loss. So the story at face value makes little sense. Either the buyer/seller had the restoration done himself and took a hit and didn't complain (because he made his bed)or it's not the same book (unlikely since the checker pattern has the same smudge on the same spot in both books (who would want to duplicate that (no advantage)). I am left with the only one conclusion that makes any sense and that is that the owner/buyer had the restoration done himself thinking he could get more money for it and failed miserably. |
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| @CaptainCanuck I'm not here to argue. I have work to do. You're obviously saying that CBCS doesn't know how to grade or detect trimming. I'm obviously staying that the modifications happened AFTER CBCS graded it. |
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| My eyes went straight for the white dot on Batman's cape near the comics code symbol. Realizing that could be a piece of dust on the case, I looked for more blemishes. The white lines near Batgirl's foot are very pronounced. I simply do not believe that one image would show that defect while the other wouldn't. Color shades can vary from the imaging process and blurry rings can be attributed to excessive jpg compression. The presence or lack of presence of two white lines cannot be as easily dismissed. | ||
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| @GanaSoth Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth No need for insults. Where did I “correct” myself? You obviously missed or don’t understand the & symbol |
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| @TimBildhauser Quote: Originally Posted by TimBildhauser What about the top edge? |
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| The underhang at right edge can easily be caused by pressing. The color touch spots on the CGC slab are definitely different than the CBCS slabbed version. I think the book was color touched and pressed before sending to CGC. | ||
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| @kaptainmyke What about the top edge being trimmed? |
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| I do not see evidence of the top edge being trimmed (not with the photos provided). The distance gap from the top edge of black half squares is the same height and width. Not only that, but, why? Why would the top edge be trimmed when there is no evidence of chipping or flaking? | ||
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| @kaptainmyke Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Exactly. This leads to a strong likelihood that top edge was trimmed before CBCS slabbed it and they missed it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck So why not the outrage from the buyer? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck @CaptainCanuck No. Wrong. The trimming starts about an inch & a half to two inch below the right top corner which was done after CBCS graded it. Anyone can clearly see that the cover in the CGC slab doesn't cover the interior pages like it did in the CBCS slab, & it's not from pressing because the spine is the same in both pics, meaning it didn't roll. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head close up ink stain both books:   |
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