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antoniofett private msg quote post Address this user | |
  I like these labels! Maybe CBCS can do something similar! |
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the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm happy that they finally certified Eldon's, New Hampshire, Cookeville and Harold Curtis books as pedigrees. Took long enough! I actually have an Eldon book at CGC as we speak so I will be getting that nifty new label. Wooo! |
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antoniofett private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @the420bandito amesome man! Let us know if you get the cool new label! | ||
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infinityG private msg quote post Address this user | |
| i really like those black labels, CBCS needs one too! | ||
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I like this idea. | ||
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gmellos private msg quote post Address this user | |
| SORRY BUT I REFUSE to pay more money for a comic that is a "pedigree". Nice label though | ||
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Donnied private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This is a stupid concept and it's just a marketing scheme for high dollar collectors, who are the only ones that can afford to buy these books from the original owner, or the only dealers powerful enough to insist on the provenance of certain books or collections. 20 years ago I bought sone file copies and some "pedigree" books because they were really nice examples of comics. I have zero methods of proving where those comics came from, so they are now no longer "pedigree", just really nice comics. Scam. | ||
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the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user | |
| For the record my Eldon book is a Whiz Comics book that cost me $130 and should grade 6.0-7.0....not every pedigree book is ultra expensive or perfect. I just like keep the provenance intact. | ||
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OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Donnied you sound a little disgruntled. I've never heard of "dealers powerful enough to insist on the provenance of certain books or collection". I thought it was pretty cut and dry. If the collection doesn't meet the criteria then, no pedigree. Are the instances of this you can tell us about? As far as the new label goes... it's shiny and new. Another great marketing scheme by CGC. I see collectors resubmitting old pedigree books for the new one. Mo money for CGC. Whenever something new like this comes out we always hear, "I wish CBCS would do something like this". Well, there's movers and shakers, innovators and followers. It's just a matter of time before CBCS realizes this and starts marketing their product in a more innovating and appealing manner that will be beneficial to the collectors. I've stated this before and is still very true in my opinion. The question is, when will this happen? They can't simply copy the competition. They need to take that bull by the horns and be a leader and not a follower. Marketing brothers and sisters, MARKETING!!! Sorry for all the analogies  |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Partnering with Ebay for non-commital "rough grades" Black labels for pedigree. They sure know how to sway individuals into giving them money. Bravo! I, however, shall not fall into this scheme unless the Black Labels show significant $$$ increase. Then I will fall into it as long as everyone else does. This is my new vision of this hobby market - don't fight anything no matter how dumb. Just find out what everyone else is doing to make $$$ and tag on along! |
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OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user | |
| One more caution I want to throw out there. We as collectors should be careful not to give to much value to the packaging or the label. The value needs to remain in the contents. I know the grading companies would like to see it otherwise but, we need to stay focused on the prize... the actual book. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster Smartest statement I've seen written in a week. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I like the idea, but not the label. It looks photocopied to me. | ||
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OGJackster private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson You and I say photocopied, they say Platinum! |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have about 33 pedigree X-Men books. The only ones I would even consider resubmitting would be the ones I would think would get grade bumps. I wouldn't resub a book just for the new label. All they do is set in a box. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster I swear it looks like it just rolled out of my Brother black and white laser printer. |
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the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It will stick out in a wall of books or an auction site listing which I believe is their intention. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Their intention is to get pedigree collectors and owners of pedigree collections to submit their books to the cgc. | ||
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Donnied private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Honestly, I'm not disgruntled. I just know how the business works. Who do you are the peolpe who can declare a collection as a "pedigree"? Can I call my comics a pedigree collection? If so, who would listen? Once a comic has left the possession of the original owner or buyer, how do you prove the book was part of that pedigree? I'm pretty sure they did not stamp the front cover with a "pedigree item" mark. That is the concept of provenance. There has to be a verifiable chain of possession or the book falls out of provenance, which is what has happened with my "pedigreed" books - I can't prove they were part of the collection. But if, for exampke, Steve Geppi said it is pedigreed, then he would be believed. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What pedigree books do you have that you can't prove they are pedigrees? There are people who can tell most of them. Plus, if you bought from the person who was selling the collection and they can write a letter stating that the books you have came from that collection, then the cgc will most likely honor the pedigree. I did that with some Bronze Age Mass. copy Avengers I purchased. | ||
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 Please continue to ignore anything I post.
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southerncross private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I've bought raw pedigrees off metropolis collectibles and they have the pedigree on the label of the mylar. That's all cgc needed to label my books as a pedigree. Also pedigrees have a look too them. I sent in 4 Big Apples pedigree books from silver age and they know the look of those 60s books. They have no White pages mainly cream and dust shadows on back covers | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster I couldn’t agree more!    |
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Donnied private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If I bothered to send in my comics from the Edgar Church collection to CGC, even with my receipt from Mile High, they would not put a black label on them. Because if they did, CGC would lose all credibility as experts, since they could not tell that those exact books are the copies that I bought over thirty years ago. Even if they had a label on the bags! Think of it along the lines of the signature program with red and yellow labels. | ||
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Edgar Church books have a distinct smell, among other identifying characteristics, and there are graders at both the cgc and CBCS that can identify them without certificates. | ||
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Wraith private msg quote post Address this user | |
| nice idea. much neater than the current system. wonder what the do for SS pedigree |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I tend to side with Donnied.... The "Pedigree" Thing is a bunch of BS. Just another slick marketing ploy to dup people into paying a premium. I would never give a premium for any pedigree book and if I did somehow end up with one I would have it re-slabbed as I have no desire to have someone else name on my book. The (BOOK) and its (GRADE) is (ALL) that matters, where it came from is irrelevant. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 @BigRedOne1944 I just have to play Devil's advocate for a second. If there were a Lee Marvin Pedigree of Golden Age Captain America Comics, and you owned a slabbed one with the pedigree right on the label, would you still send it in to get the pedigree note taken off?? |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| it's more information about the actual book. Why is this an issue for people? if you had a book right from, let's say Jack Kirby's collection, you wouldn't want that noted? I don't understand complaints for services you wouldn't use. its like being angry with Sesame Street..if you wont use the service then you're not the target audience. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Sides are fine when they add to a well rounded meal, but for a great main coarse my preference is the filet mignon.  |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Apples and Oranges here Jessie Lee Marvin is a celebrity, as is Jack Kirby. Both with distinguished careers in their respected genres. Any books such as those may very well draw a premium for their "celebrity status" regardless of actual book condition. The Book grade is not necessarily the Star here "Pedigree Status" of some Tom, Dick or Harry is based Solely on book condition and the reprieved perception that it came from a superior cared for collection. There is no celebrity status involved here. Book condition is the Star here... Tom, Dick and Harry are irrelevant. |
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