What about proof sheet color guides?9323
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| As a person who had direct access to Marvel and DC, what should be done wirh these in your opinion? This is one example but i have some others with the first appearances of iron man and others. This is 1960 Action Comics #269 proof sheet color guide. Two layer acetates from DC printing proof dept.  |
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etapi65 private msg quote post Address this user | |
I'm not sure I understand the question. My instinct, though. |
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andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| suitable for framing | ||
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BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @JLee1964 This is very nice. A museum would be a great place for them or in my collection. | ||
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
 This one is my pride and joy. Any guess on year and issue? |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This one is Tales to Astonish. Issue:59 Sept. 1964. Any ideas on value? |
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The desirability is low for most people and I think there are a lot of fakes or forgeries out there. Unless it was a page that had some special meaning to someone, I can't imagine too many people getting excited about them. | ||
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Are you "the" Jim Lee?  |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Well, I can say without a doubt that this is not a forgery.  |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This is a page from Tales to Astonish 54. These all come from my direct contact with the artists. |
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 I'm a #2.
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| I think they are VERY much desirable pieces. Even more so if they could be verified and authenticated. |
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JLee1964 Even if I assume it's legit, there are people passing off fakes which make the market itself steer clear. They have value, but it's like trying to sell a specific comic from 1985. The right customer has to come along. You'd do best to sell them in bulk to a dealer who had time to wait on that one specific customer to walk in the door and buy that page they liked. He can wait 51 months, 2 days, 5 hours, and 15 minutes until that one specific customer gets excited about it. |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| 1 of 1 double acetates. The final proof just prior to print run. The artist received these after the printers did a final check. Most artists pitched theirs. Not all artists did though... | ||
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thank you for the advice. Heritage auctions will be the right dealer for me. | ||
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JLee1964 I think they are cool, but I don't know anyone who collects them. Heritage might indeed be the best option since they will make them high profile and reach consumers with large disposable incomes. |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
I would like to see any article on any fakes of any color guides. They are 1-of-1 and only the archives at Marvel have them or the artists.  |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
 Trivia; who knows the issue for these? |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
 And the last for tonight for the DC fans! |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That last one was from Teen Titans #3. 1966. | ||
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Originally stored and archived at the headquarters of Marvel in NYC. These are in NM condition. Most sheets are in a rough shape from the 1960s. Please let me know if you have any questions. Color Guide Information: Color guides were instrumental in the production of comics before computers. The sheets were printed with the line art and then given to colorist to complete with watercolors or inks.Colorists not only brought each page to life with their artistry, but they were also responsible for making sure that they properly coded each part of the page.The codes (YRB) indicate the different percentages of Yellow, Red and Blue that would be needed to produce the desired colors when printed. Often discarded as worthless after the production of the comic (similar to animation cells - which can now be worth hundreds to thousands of dollars), original production art including color guides and 3Ms have increased in value due to their scarcity! Only one final color guide exists for each comic book page! |
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
I was searching for 2 pages of Defenders original art and bought these "color guides" for $10 a piece on ebay. They weren't what I wanted, but I liked the price and they were interesting, so I gambled. I'm confident that they are photocopies after having received them. I didn't complain, because I liked the pages and it was a low investment cost. Obviously, someone had the originals if they are passing of copies. This can be done for proofs also.   Production art and the processes used to make comics are unknown to many collectors. Heritage would give the items more clout and you'd see exactly what the market will bear. |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Yeah. Those are editor sheets and not even real since the number of notes seems excessive but maybe a new artist would have that many notes. Color guides are hard to copy unless you have the ability to print to acetate sheets. I'm not worried about clout with them. If they dont like them I will just keep or give them away. |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The scans you show are color edits but seems like a ton. A colorist could have done those while in process. | ||
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Now that I look, every color is marked like this was a training exercise for the new colorist to show they know the codes by heart. Those are not from the actual production process. | ||
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I do own some watercolor art from DEFIANT and Valiant. I know these are real.      Shooter & Co. used a different process, so these are not exactly the same as color guides. They are watercolor paintings over 1st generation photocopies of the original art. I think you've decided the best course of action. I do think they are very cool. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JLee1964 In the old days, these were codes for the printer and they had rooms of little old ladies that actually colored the comics. They were literally guides. At least that is my novice understanding. Computers greatly improved the coloring process. I've seen a lot of color guides that look like mine on the websites of art dealers. The cropping of codes at the edges and the photocopy look of the colors is what makes me confident they aren't real. |
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Great art! Really like the first one. | ||
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JLee1964 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| There were one or two art students working but no way old ladies had the hand to color. Steady hands and eyes of an eagle is needed for color work. Old ladies could click a computer but only 20 something kids could do fill in coloring. The rest had to be done by the artists. | ||
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