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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
I seem to recall a book listed by a member that mentioned the swaztika. My first impression was, damn I cant believe they graded that.

So the argument of being guilty by proxy does take effect.


I found the book I was referring to on Google images.


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But there's a problem with cartoon nudity!

lolz
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I seem to recall a book listed by a member that mentioned the swaztika. My first impression was, damn I cant believe they graded that.

So the argument of being guilty by proxy does take effect.


I found the book I was referring to on Google images.




I thought about this book in regard to this thread. I new it had been graded. it'd be interesting to know what this book is actually about. I would bet a whole lot of money that nazis are not portrayed in a positive light hence cgc grading it. I would be shocked if this is a pro-nazi story.
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It attaches their name and in some way perhaps endorses the content or at the very least the PERCEPTION is CBCS endorses the content. I completely understand why a company would choose not to grade these books.


How would grading them endorse the product? CBCS/CGC are third party grading company nothing they grade is being endorsed by them or in need of their endorsement.


If you owned a grading company would you attach your brand or logo to Neo-Nazi propaganda literature?

An extreme example but it's about controversial material a corporation doesn't want attach itself too.


Definitely not! I would never want my name associated with anything that implied I endorse Nazi values.

http://www.comiclink.com/itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fitems%2Easp%3Fid%3D5260&id=1312374
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People like my dumb ass dont often look deeper than the cover.

As usual common sense prevails.


Hansi: The Girl who Loved the Swastika is an American one-shot comic book, published in 1973 by Spire Christian Comics and drawn by Al Hartley. It is a story set in Nazi Germany in 1938 that condemns Nazism and Communism and promotes the Bible. It is based on the real-life story of Maria Anne Hirschmann
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People like my dumb ass dont often look deeper than the cover.

As usual common sense prevails.


Hansi: The Girl who Loved the Swastika is an American one-shot comic book, published in 1973 by Spire Christian Comics and drawn by Al Hartley. It is a story set in Nazi Germany in 1938 that condemns Nazism and Communism and promotes the Bible. It is based on the real-life story of Maria Anne Hirschmann


All true, but the debate is about the brand being associated distasteful content. New customers looking at the slab aren't going to know it's against the Nazis.
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It attaches their name and in some way perhaps endorses the content or at the very least the PERCEPTION is CBCS endorses the content. I completely understand why a company would choose not to grade these books.


How would grading them endorse the product? CBCS/CGC are third party grading company nothing they grade is being endorsed by them or in need of their endorsement.


If you owned a grading company would you attach your brand or logo to Neo-Nazi propaganda literature?

An extreme example but it's about controversial material a corporation doesn't want attach itself too.


Definitely not! I would never want my name associated with anything that implied I endorse Nazi values.

http://www.comiclink.com/itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fitems%2Easp%3Fid%3D5260&id=1312374


Exactly! that's why this book was graded, its an anti-nazi story.
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People like my dumb ass dont often look deeper than the cover.

As usual common sense prevails.


Hansi: The Girl who Loved the Swastika is an American one-shot comic book, published in 1973 by Spire Christian Comics and drawn by Al Hartley. It is a story set in Nazi Germany in 1938 that condemns Nazism and Communism and promotes the Bible. It is based on the real-life story of Maria Anne Hirschmann


All true, but the debate is about the brand being associated distasteful content. New customers looking at the slab aren't going to know it's against the Nazis.


Theres a difference between the public getting it wrong and extreme nudity.

One is the public is wrong...its an anti nazi story...if they dont know that then they're wrong. the other is extreme nudity which they wouldn't be wrong because that's what it is.
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It attaches their name and in some way perhaps endorses the content or at the very least the PERCEPTION is CBCS endorses the content. I completely understand why a company would choose not to grade these books.


How would grading them endorse the product? CBCS/CGC are third party grading company nothing they grade is being endorsed by them or in need of their endorsement.


If you owned a grading company would you attach your brand or logo to Neo-Nazi propaganda literature?

An extreme example but it's about controversial material a corporation doesn't want attach itself too.


Definitely not! I would never want my name associated with anything that implied I endorse Nazi values.

http://www.comiclink.com/itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fitems%2Easp%3Fid%3D5260&id=1312374


Exactly! that's why this book was graded, its an anti-nazi story.



If a comic has a cover with graphic nudity and sexual acts, but it's about the virtues of celibacy... then it's fair game for grading?
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It attaches their name and in some way perhaps endorses the content or at the very least the PERCEPTION is CBCS endorses the content. I completely understand why a company would choose not to grade these books.


How would grading them endorse the product? CBCS/CGC are third party grading company nothing they grade is being endorsed by them or in need of their endorsement.


If you owned a grading company would you attach your brand or logo to Neo-Nazi propaganda literature?

An extreme example but it's about controversial material a corporation doesn't want attach itself too.


Definitely not! I would never want my name associated with anything that implied I endorse Nazi values.

http://www.comiclink.com/itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fitems%2Easp%3Fid%3D5260&id=1312374


Exactly! that's why this book was graded, its an anti-nazi story.



If a comic has a cover with graphic nudity and sexual acts, but it's about the virtues of celibacy... then it's fair game for grading?


No, because it's the graphic nudity or sexual acts that the company has the issue with not the story itself. That's why swastikas on their own are fine but not stories glorifying the virtues of what the swastika means.
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People like my dumb ass dont often look deeper than the cover.

As usual common sense prevails.


Hansi: The Girl who Loved the Swastika is an American one-shot comic book, published in 1973 by Spire Christian Comics and drawn by Al Hartley. It is a story set in Nazi Germany in 1938 that condemns Nazism and Communism and promotes the Bible. It is based on the real-life story of Maria Anne Hirschmann


All true, but the debate is about the brand being associated distasteful content. New customers looking at the slab aren't going to know it's against the Nazis.


Theres a difference between the public getting it wrong and extreme nudity.

One is the public is wrong...its an anti nazi story...if they dont know that then they're wrong. the other is extreme nudity which they wouldn't be wrong because that's what it is.


I posted a link to a CBCS graded copy because it directly addressed an example of undesirability that you provided. Brand association has nothing to do with whether the consumer gets it right or not.
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all those golden age marvel and DC books are fine.. it not nazi propoganda books.
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People like my dumb ass dont often look deeper than the cover.

As usual common sense prevails.


Hansi: The Girl who Loved the Swastika is an American one-shot comic book, published in 1973 by Spire Christian Comics and drawn by Al Hartley. It is a story set in Nazi Germany in 1938 that condemns Nazism and Communism and promotes the Bible. It is based on the real-life story of Maria Anne Hirschmann


All true, but the debate is about the brand being associated distasteful content. New customers looking at the slab aren't going to know it's against the Nazis.


Theres a difference between the public getting it wrong and extreme nudity.

One is the public is wrong...its an anti nazi story...if they dont know that then they're wrong. the other is extreme nudity which they wouldn't be wrong because that's what it is.


I posted a link to a CBCS graded copy because it directly addressed an example of undesirability that you provided. Brand association has nothing to do with whether the consumer gets it right or not.


if that book was pro nazi I guarantee cbcs would not slab it. it's an anti nazi story....just like all those golden age marvel DC books.
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It attaches their name and in some way perhaps endorses the content or at the very least the PERCEPTION is CBCS endorses the content. I completely understand why a company would choose not to grade these books.


How would grading them endorse the product? CBCS/CGC are third party grading company nothing they grade is being endorsed by them or in need of their endorsement.


If you owned a grading company would you attach your brand or logo to Neo-Nazi propaganda literature?

An extreme example but it's about controversial material a corporation doesn't want attach itself too.


Definitely not! I would never want my name associated with anything that implied I endorse Nazi values.

http://www.comiclink.com/itemdetail.asp?back=%2Fitems%2Easp%3Fid%3D5260&id=1312374


Exactly! that's why this book was graded, its an anti-nazi story.



If a comic has a cover with graphic nudity and sexual acts, but it's about the virtues of celibacy... then it's fair game for grading?


No, because it's the graphic nudity or sexual acts that the company has the issue with not the story itself. That's why swastikas on their own are fine but not stories glorifying the virtues of what the swastika means.


I don't really care whether they grade anything or not, but I think it's silly to inject their own sense of morality. Take the customer's money and put a disclaimer on the label that they don't endorse the product in the case.

This might comic offend vegetarians, but at least the naked cow has it's private parts hidden in the picture.


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I think we can agree that a story condemning distasteful subject matter does not itself make it distasteful right? And showing graphic or extreme nudity, even with virtuous intentions is not the same.


In this conversation I am not attempting to state my views as fact. I'm just trying to say that I understand why a corporation would take this stance.

In the same way an environmentally friendly focused organization may not want to do business with an oil company or chemical company (unless of course it was an endeavour to clean up the environment).
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I think we can agree that a story condemning distasteful subject matter does not itself make it distasteful right? And showing graphic or extreme nudity, even with virtuous intentions is not the same.


Not necessarily. The only reason that comic is remembered is because people think it's promoting Nazis.

If you had a comic with the "N" word on the cover, it wouldn't matter what content was inside. It would be offensive. Some people feel that way about the Swastika. People want to remove a carving of Confederate soldiers off of Stone Mountain in Georgia. It's the largest chunk of exposed granite in the world and one side of it has s huge carving on it. It's associated with racism, so people want to destroy it. The swastika is associated with genocide. People don't want to see it.
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It doesn’t have to be a morality police issue. They may just not want to be associated with it. Not out of judgment, just preference.

This sign, comes to mind.


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I think we can agree that a story condemning distasteful subject matter does not itself make it distasteful right? And showing graphic or extreme nudity, even with virtuous intentions is not the same.


Not necessarily. The only reason that comic is remembered is because people think it's promoting Nazis.

If you had a comic with the "N" word on the cover, it wouldn't matter what content was inside. It would be offensive. Some people feel that way about the Swastika. People want to remove a carving of Confederate soldiers off of Stone Mountain in Georgia. It's the largest chunk of exposed granite in the world and one side of it has s huge carving on it. It's associated with racism, so people want to destroy it. The swastika is associated with genocide. People don't want to see it.


Excellent points!

The swastika has been on a large # of comics especially in the goldenage and some silverage and I believe is generally regarded as a historically offensive symbol that began in another country (i.e. not of American origin and therefore more "allowed" for a lack of a better term).

The N word and Confederate-anything is home grown and a very sensitive topic that I can totally see CBCS or CGC not slabbing any book with that on the cover regardless of the story inside. I think they have the right to refuse slabbing comics like that.

Great examples!
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