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I was mentally preparing myself (Yes, I need to) to sell one of my favorite books. It's an FF 5, CBCS 5.5, but I got hit with the dreaded 'Small Amount of Color Touch on Cover'. OK, I emotionally recovered from that years ago, but my question... how much of a hit will my price take? I see they sell in that condition unrestored for around $6800-7100 area. So how hard of a hit do you think I will take? You think if I list at $5000 people will point and laugh and generally question my manhood? Does that seem like a pipe dream? Thoughts?  |
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| you could remove the color touch and have it graded again to get the FMV of an unrestored one. Even have it pressed to increase its current grade and price. | ||
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| You can alway pay to have the touch up removed | ||
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| I guess I'm confused, doesn't the grade of 5.5 take the restoration into account? So wouldn't the value of it be whatever the FMV for that grade is? It would be like buying a book that got a grade for having a 1/4 inch tear in the cover, would it not? I get that restoration is bad and especially when it's passed off on raw books. But if the grade the book got included a hit for the restoration, how does that differ from any other defect? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KYoung_1974I've been confused by that for years. I would think it did, but it doesn't seem so. Not arguing, if I could list it for $7000 I'm be very happy. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I don't believe color touch impacts grade. It's a notation on the label stating its been color touched. | ||
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| Pretty sure restored books get a numeric grade as if they weren't restored. So in the FF above, it's considered a 5.5 with the small amount of color touch. If the color touch weren't there, it might be a 4.5 or 5. The stigma of restoration marked on the label actually makes lots of books with only minor restoration worth less than they would be in their lower, unrestored grade. One the farthest end of the scale, I've seen a 9.6 AF15 out there that's a true Frankenstein. Half the book is the result of restoration efforts and as such is worth pennies on the dollar to a "real" 9.6. In response to your initial question - smartest play is to get the restoration removed and the book regarded. Will cost a couple hundred, but you'll almost certainly more than make up that cost in your sale price if you're selling an unrestored copy (or "blue with notes" as the guys across the street call it). |
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| I have a graded book with the notation "Minor amount of color touch on cover." To the best of my knowledge the only thing done to the cover appears to be an erasure of some pencil marks ...I guess this is considered "color touch" and restoration. Marty |
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PaulPop private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by CatCoversA good thought, but the more I am reading about that, it seems 50/50 as to whether you improve or damage the book. I'm skeered. |
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| I would want to know where the color touch is before having someone remove it. I suppose there might be a pre-screen for it but I don't know. If they said there was a small dot in Dr Dooms face I probably would not do it. One small dot in the dark area of the spine, then maybe. I've seen some pretty ugly books that I wouldn't buy because of it, no matter the grade. | ||
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| Color touch is a sticky issue. Many collectors will walk away immediately from anything with even a dot color touch on the cover. While this is clearly a form of restoration, I have often wondered, especially in the case of lower and mid grade books, would it be reasonable to grade the touch as a defect and call the book unrestored. For example, if a comic can qualify as an unrestored VG copy with a name written on the cover, could not a book with a tiny amount of touch be also considered an unrestored VG if you grade the touch as a defect similar to writing with a marker on the cover? Just a thought. Personally I would steer clear from investing in any color touched book because of the stigma and the inevitable hassle involved in trying to sell it. On the other hand, if you are a collector and are not bothered by color touch, there are many, many deals to be had on color touched books since they sell for a fraction of their untouched counterparts. | ||
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| Not sure if this scares you more or less, but CGC does removal. https://www.cgccomics.com/ccs-pressing/ Scroll down and expand restoration arrow. I "think" kaptainmike did it to his incredible hulk 181. You may want to see if that is the case, and if it is, ask how he felt about the process.... |
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| Personally, I would pass on a purple even if it's a key I desperately wanted. Purple and green labels scream stay away to me. Granted I may be a bit extreme about it. As for the others comments about the location before removal, that may be a good place to start. I was looking at black lights and they have relatively cheap ones at harbor freight Amazon and Ebay. If you showed pix of the book with light shined on it, the board members might be able to assist in finding the touch. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| Color touch may be less invasive and easier to fix than other types of restoration but will still reduce the value of a book to 30-40 percent of an unrestored book certified by CBCS or CGC. | ||
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Some of the color touch that gets removed looks like Freddy Kreuger got a hold of the book. I think I would determine the location of the color touch and how much CT is there, then make a decision on what to do with it. | ||
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@michaelekrupp just have to write your name along the spine or other areas to cover any imperfections  |
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@KYoung_1974 brings up an interesting question I never really considered. This book has "Restoration includes: small amount of color touch on cover." and is graded 5.0. So without the color touch, what would the grade be? A higher grade say, 5.5 or 6.0? Because if the given grade of 5.0 is dinged already because of the restoration then this book should go for the same FMV as any other 5.0 is sold for. Does that make sense? |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @OGJackster I always though that the colour touch brought it up to the 5.0 grade and without it may be 4.5 or lower, but like other have said probably get more $$ for a 4.5 no colour tough than a 5.0 with | ||
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| I think I may repost that question in a new thread later on when I'm not busy. Thanks Kat. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster I never looked it up, I just made the assumption that it would be treated as any other defect, i.e. unverified signature, too much over spray, sticker, etc. It seems crazy that given the negative connotation that restoration has that they would use it to actually bump the grade. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte I have bought 3 restored books and I am perfectly fine with buying restored books cause I have zero intent on selling them. but again restored isnt for everyone |
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| @OGJackster - I always thought the "Apparent" label meant that the book looks like a 5.0, but really isn't because of the defect (color touch in this case). Like when they give an "Apparent" grade of 9.0, but state that there's a staple pull or a Marvel Value Stamp removed. | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My understanding is that Colour Touch has no impact at all on the grade. It will get a Restoration designation but with or without the Colour Touch the book gets the same grade. Is this not correct? | ||
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| Cgc can screen for restoration removal, that charge a small fee for the screening. If they think it deface the book too much, they reject it. I sent in a cgc 8.5 ff48 with professional color touch, even though it said a very small amount, they still rejected it. Had a hulk 181, literally a 3/32 of an inch, someone hit it with a marker and it's now a restored book. I cracked it open and having that removed. It's a touchy situation (pun intended) | ||
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| @esaravo that is my understanding as well. The restored grade is how it appears to look, not the actual grade as if it was an unaltered comic. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by michaelekruppI have to agree. See this example. It got restored up to a 9.6  |
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| Interesting. I have one book that came back restored a while ago. A small amount of color touch on the cover is the note, House of Mystery #1 5.0. Probably not valuable enough to try for removal, but I did not know that was even an option, so thanks | ||
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| Here's a link to a color touch removal that probably never should have been done. I can't imagine this book looked worse before. https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/447874-restoration-removal-blue-label-sale/ I would assume that this wasn't just "small amount of color touch" though. This is certainly an extreme example. |
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| YEAH.... No thanks! I have a Avengers 4 I got graded that came back restored. I am NOT going to have the color touch removed after seeing the comic from the link | ||
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| If you are emotionally and financially ready to sell this book, the best advice is to just sell it. You have a finished product right at a restored grade of 5.5 on a very desirable and attractive key book. You can have the color touch removed (potentially) and the book pressed and regarded, but to what end? The only thing that is and always will be negotiable is the price, so let the market decide what that will be. If you are not happy with what offers you receive, look at further options. Yes, the demand for restored comics is smaller, but it does exist. You already acknowledge there will be a price drop from the FMV of an unrestored 5.5, so try to sell the book. You can always change an asking price without changing the item. It doesn't make much sense to me to spend more money to take less money. Just my two cents. |
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