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| Addition to my prior post; a leading authority in DNA research, Head of the Human Genome project, elected member of the National Academy of Science, and recipient of the presidential medal of freedom for his work on DNA research is deeply religious and has even written on his belief in God. https://nihrecord.nih.gov/newsletters/2007/11_30_2007/story4.htm https://www.amazon.com/Language-God-Scientist-Presents-Evidence/dp/1416542744 --- I'm not trying to tell anyone what to believe or what not to believe. I have respect for individuals and think they should live their lives as they see fit. I do however dislike when individuals take an all or nothing approach and argue that one position automatically excludes the other. |
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| I have one. Due to conservation of energy, the energy that is you goes on forever. Due to quantum entanglement, you stay together throughout eternity. Will I be measurable? Maybe around 20 watts. Not enough to be Captain Atom, but I could be Captain Static Electricity, just for fun. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSothWho are you to tell the entire Catholic religion that their religion is a fake Christianity based on the distortion of a sorcerer? But, apparently, as long as you word it in a way where you explicit say you're not intending to insult them, then it's OK. You established a precedent of communication you find agreeable. I'm attempting to follow the format as you took offense to my use of the term ignorant. I am VERY familiar with Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design (as championed by Stephen Meyer). I have yet to make any comments about belief or disbelief in any religion. You're taking it as such because I don't just agree with your assertions. So, either it's OK for everyone to insult others in this others in this forum as long as they state that's not their intention (as you've been doing), or everyone needs to show the same level of respect and not completely denigrate other's. I keep trying to follow your lead, and you keep changing the rules. |
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| @doog Worst super powers ever.  |
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| @doog kinda like when Superman spun the earth backwards to reverse time. Her energy field was entangled (always entwined) so he just backed it up enough before that point that Lois Lane was killed to save her. Haha. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 If you read Acts chapter 8 in the Bible you will see the story behind my reasoning. My belief. The Catholic religion uses the same Bible I read but understanding it personally minus what your taught from a minister are two completely different things. Why does it matter to you? Your not catholic. I never singled out a catholic person, only the religion, the dogma only, the principles behind it. Just like your science religion that I don't worship. You singled me out directly. Huge difference. Quote: Originally Posted by etapi65 Really? You say your familiar with Religion, yet you don't even know how to use "free will." So you blame me for your mistakes... "The GanaSoth made me do it...." mentality, is really sad. |
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| Religion has caused more wars and human suffering since the dawn of man and only gets in the way of our personal relationship with God. Christianity is the way!... and Christianity is not a religion, it is the way of life that God intended. If the people of the world could only perceive this then there would be a much better understanding and respect for each other. Personal attacks and criticism is nothing more than a lack of self control, regardless which side of the fence you're on. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth So my response to this post...Understand I am directing my thoughts to the evidence and argument brought forward...not directing an attack at anyone. It is for me simply following the known evidence and logic...rather than using emotions or the mind set because this idea or that one violates my sincere beliefs …… "This is why we have different races and animals specific to certain regions of the world to this day. " This is of course utter and entirely fabricated nonsense on a huge scale. We have different races due to different cultural and environmental causes...ie. proximity to the equator tends to determine skin pigments and coloration.Science can clearly and completely explain these variations in human evolution accordingly . As for different aninals specific to different regions we know how and what animals live where they due based on previous land mass arrangements and the fossil record. For instance the ceratopsian dinosaur family originated from and radiated across the land bridge in three seperate radiations from the far east .... each timed specifically to time periods we can establish said land link to the east existed. It has nothing to do with god, and dusty old legends and purely to do with established and verifiable science that can not only demonstrate the lineages of various dinosaur species but their origins from a given locale. We can match species common to Africa and South America by understanding when those continents were linked as we can also determine the linkage itself due to radiometric dating and quantitive analysis of mineral formations. As I keep reading of a universal flood, I wonder how your narrative fails entirely to mention how it affected mayans, aztecs, chinese, egyptian,and paleo americans entirely ....NONE of these civilations reflect a massive event in the past ten thousand years that would demonstrate any form of massive kill event...none.While stories of floods are a universal theme to some degree, so are FLOODS. We can verify sometime within the last eight thousand years a massive barrier was breached between the red sea and Dead sea areas of the middle east, flooding hundreds of miles It is quite possible that it was the inspiration of this legend, and does fit nicely within the parameters, although far from being global or anything of the universal and quite impossible nature of the biblical myth. If you were residing in this area and saw water in every direction as far as you could see you might well theorize it covered all, but it was still a localized event at best. Given that much of this area was central to the radiation of documented stories it would hardly be surprising nor impossible. The entire creation mythos, sacarifice of jesus relies on the concept of original sin and so forth ..however science can categorically determine in order for man to be as widespread, and with as many seperate races as now exist, there had to be some 10,000 plus mating pairs of hominids to obtain this degree of population and distribution. This can be asserted easily using DNA markers, and simple understanding of racial traits and anthropology effectively denying the biblical idea of one pair of people as the basis of all . When you remove the idea of Adam and Eve, the original sin never existed and so too is the ideal of any biblical need built around such. The epic of Gilgamesh is hardly unique to "liberal: scholars and that is idiotic and an attempt to suggest only conservatives truly understand facts.....the epic of Gilgamesh is understood by science as based on evidence, in this case clay tablets. Conclusive and solid evidence does and has existed for years sorry, and it is well known and established the biblical version is not the pre-dating event. As I demonstrated with my posting of the wiki link science has known and does know that the sumerian and Pre biblical versions of the story do exist, can be supported by solid evidence and are documented. "The most accepted theory among evangelicals is that both have one common source, predating all the Sumerian forms." This would all hinge on how you classify an evangelical I imagine...but either way it clearly and definitely states that they understand the BIBLICAL story is a direct lift from a previous event...get that? "The divine inspiration of the Bible would demand that the Genesis account is the correct version" Honestly if you do not accept any divine inspiration for anything and do accept historical facts, that entire line means nothing....zero zilch .....the divine inspiration can demand all it wants, but if it does not exist it cannot demand a stolen legend is legitimate. In any event simply demanding it does, does NOT make it fact nor truth. Lets try it this way... "The science and evidence known today demand that the Genesis account is incorrect, heavily stolen from previous sources and a repetiton of a generations old legend " "Indeed the Hebrews were known for handing down their records and tradition." Indeed and so were many other cultures and populations which do not get written off simply because Hebrews did...the problem with poor logic. " The Book of Genesis is viewed for the most part as an historical work, even by many liberal scholars, while the Epic of Gilgamesh is viewed as mythological. " that entire paragraph is both an outright lie and fabricated to attempt to alter historical understanding of biblical and pre biblical cultures. It is not viewed as historical by most scholars and most accept and view its creational themes and flood event as stolen from previous cultures much like Jesus himself was a direct borrowing of the figure Horus of egyptian origin. Again with the attempts to link inaccuracy with liberals....ugh. Science isnt a political football that you get to throw truth around based on how you vote..get it? Liberals, conservatives, thats all garbage when you are discussing historical facts. Evidence. If the epic of Gilgamesh is considered mythical and pre dates the bible what does that tell you of the biblical retelling? Obviously if they both rely on a previous tale, that was the true one, then both are borrowed on another cultures story ...and are both MYTHICAL "The One-source Theory must, therefore, lead back to the historical event of the Flood and Noah's Ark. To those who believe in the inspiration and infallibility of the Bible, it should not be a surprise that God would preserve the true account of the Flood in the traditions of His people. " Yes a one source theory can lead anywhere you like since it does not utilize the facts or evidence.It was clearly established above and even stated that both the biblical and Gilgamesh events related a retelling of a previous story establishing clearly the one source theory is garbage and at best mythical cherry picking. We KNOW that there is more than one source as archaelogy clearly has provided that evidence.. "The Genesis account was kept pure and accurate throughout the centuries by the providence of God until it was finally compiled, edited, and written down by Moses. The Epic of Gilgamesh, then, contains the corrupted account as preserved and embellished by peoples who did not follow the God of the Hebrews. Utter and entirely what a person gets when they use no evidence, no facts and no understanding of history. The genesis account like so many others has been lost, refound, written and rewritten so many times throughout the centuries we know it contains fabrications and embellishments just like any other culture.....that is easily and simply verified by understanding the history of the modern bible itself. Then to further wash the hog in the flood we get this line about the Epic of Gilgamesh then of necessity being corrupted and embellished...what a pants load of nonsense. Attempting to argue one culture keeps pure records and all others must therefore NOT is to say the last special pleading and horrible torturing of logic and intelligence. ugh..... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Guess you missed the part where I said the following: Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth Meaning, God used other families like Noah's in other parts of the world to do the exact same thing he instructed Noah & his family to do in their region of the world. Being they were already in different regions of the world (meaning they had already adapted to their environments) why would that be as you stated "entirely fabricated nonsense on a huge scale?" Because God had his hand in it? Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town This is your opinion and that's cool. Everyone entitled to their own beliefs/opinions. |
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| Wasn't he supposed to reveal himself by now? When's that gonna happen? | ||
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| @GAC Who? What? | ||
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| Jesus is supposed to come back isn't he? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC The False Messiah arrives first.... The Great Deception! |
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| @GAC the Bible states that not even the angles in Heaven will know the time. So, no. No one knows. But when he does, all will take a knee and know he is Lord. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth But it is Biblical common knowledge that the False Messiah arrives first! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth yes I agree, our opinions differ an that doesn't make you nor I a bad person. I am simply discussing the post, so … First Guess you missed the part where I said the following: "Satan & his fallen angels came to earth and corrupted all mankind and beast alike - trying to destroy Gods original creation (DNA) so he set forth the task of chosen families around the world to gather two of each kind (non DNA altered babies) and preserve them. Hence the story of the flood all around the world. This is why we have different races and animals specific to certain regions of the world to this day." I did not miss the part where you said it..I missed the part where you presented any evidence, facts or reason that would suggest all of modern science, including all its disciplines is wrong. Understand you can say something over and over, and repeat it until it makes sense for you...but the problem is you lack any evidence, facts or ability to contravene science to make the theory apply. Short and simple, we know how and what animals and came to reside where they do...we understand their origins and we have a fairly good handle on how the continents have shuffled about. We can demonstrate the sources and origins for them and provde solid facts and data....your post states a view you hold..no PHD's with peer reviewed papers demonstrating factual evidence for your statement. Where are all these supposed DNA barges for instance...and aside from and nevermind we know most animal species we currently reside with have origins that pre date man itself. Understand? the animals did not come to be where they are for the most part in the history of mankind, but were largely dispersed long before mankind ever polluted this little mudball with his filthy and environmentally reckless agenda. There are a few exceptions caused by extinctions, migrations of species due to man and his travel patterns and even transporting species that did not belong to an environement where they now threaten all other species... by example consider the great boas and pythons beings caught in the Florida keys...most were released when they became too large by pet owners who did not wish to keep them. They are now an invasive species that did nor arise in that locale... Or consider the muscles and clams that attach to boats in the great lakes. These were brought over from the far east I believe on ships and allowed to populate us lake waters creating havoc.... those are examples of manmade placement of species by accident or ignorance. We can even identify traits in animals that change due to mankinds activities...it was documented in the thirties and forties that many moths began turning grey in response to pigments in the air from soot and pollution. Once the soot was removed, the moths reverted to their original coloring. Even nature plays a hand in this...consider the pink flamingo which in its natural surroundings is not always pink. The coloration is due to eating certain types of shrimp in their diet which releases the pigment.Zoos now know this an feed the animals their special shrimp to preserve the colors....but the color shift is nothing biblical...just as the most animals that exist ina given spot or place have precisely nothing to do with biblical legends and more to do wth ancestral species, environmental conditions or geological linkages. |
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| Question for all of you.... Jesus is referred to as the "Tree Of Life" Satan is referred to as the "Tree of knowledge of good and evil" (1) What does the apple have to do with any of this? (2) Why did Eve give birth to twins (one good, one evil)? .... and yes, a woman can give birth to twins by two different fathers ... considering the timing. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder PS... (Genesis) Eve told God she was beguiled by the serpent. What does "beguiled" mean?... Totally Seduced! And then Eve seduced Adam (at least she received the good seed, aka Jesus Christ in the long run, many thanks to King David). And Satan was hell-bent on assinating David because of the lineage to JC, but failed. Anyhow, David pretty much screwed himself because he walked past the wall of God, thinking it was all about him and God was no longer the factor. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth You know, for the longest time, that's what I thought was happening. I was a kid when I saw that movie and I thought that was so stupid. Superman can't just make the world go backwards by flying around it! And that's not how you reverse time! Who they hell would think, just because the Earth spins the other way, that time is going backwards?? But that's not what's happening there. I figured it out, years later. SUPERMAN is going back in time. He's going fast enough to travel backwards in time, and he's circling the Earth to do it. And when you travel backwards in time, it actually looks like the Earth is spinning backwards, and everything on Earth looks like it's happening in reverse. That's not time reversing; that's just how the director chose to show Superman going backwards in time. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Jesus is referred to as "The Tree of Life." We know that a relationship with Jesus should be very meaningful and give us life – eternal life. Therefore, one could say that Jesus is like the Tree of Life. Because of Him, we grow spiritually and flourish. Because of Him, we can have eternal life. Satan is referred to as the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil." In Christian theology, consuming the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was the sin committed by Adam and Eve that led to the fall of man in Genesis 2-3. It was his lies that landed them in trouble, so he takes the title as that particular title. 1) Some say that the forbidden fruit they were not supposed to have partaken in was an apple, others say it was a fig. 2) Cains sacrifice was not good enough for the Lord as Ables was. Now, was this because God already knew Cain was an abomination or this is what he becomes after the murder of his brother. There is lots of speculation whether or not Cain was an offspring of satan, because of what Eve told God about her being "beguiled" by the serpent. The definition of beguiled is: being tricked into doing something. Now this could mean sexual, or she could be referring to the reason why she talked Adam into taking the forbidden fruit. But that leads back to why God rejected Cains sacrifices. I personally believe that Cain was the start of Satan's bloodline here on Earth, thus why he wasn't ever good enough for God. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Exactly! And Adam blamed it all on the woman (Eve), Eve blamed it all on the serpent (Satan), and the serpent was more than happy to take credit. Accountability went out the window right at the very beginning! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Wait ... no more free will? What happens to the free will? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Not when he's done playing. All people's of every nation and nationality will know and confess he is Lord. Romans 14:11 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Just for the record...and because facts keep getting stepped on...the umm Catholic bible is not the same as yours. The Catholic Bible includes additional books in the Old Testament not included in most Protestant Bibles. These seven additional books of the Old Testament are known as the deuterocanonical books and include Sirach, Tobit, Wisdom, Judith, 1 and 1 Maccabees, and Baruch. So no they are not the same …... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_CoderIt actually went out the window long before that when god created all and rested the 7th day claiming it was all good , then condemned man for making mistakes. Since god created all , he created man, the tree of knowledge, satan, and the apple....and rested knowing it was good. Course the following week things went south....so he blamed man and cast him out for it. Kind of the issue when setting onself up as perfect in all ways even after making mistakes ……….. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town This is true. Our Bible still contains the books Martin Luther didn't like. Further differences can be found in Bibles used by Eastern Orthodox, Coptic and assorted other sects, in addition to the shortened Protestant version. |
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Indeed correct, Catcovers. Aside from.....  |
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| <takes a knee to flying spaghetti> Dinner time! |
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| I love the Flying spaghetti monster and I hope you may be touched by his giant noodly appendage...Pastafarianism is the one true light and only true god | ||
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