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| You got Google. BTW, debunk the above video. You can't. So don't even try, it will just make you even more bitter towards Christians (IMO). | ||
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| Umm show me some credentials or reason to take anything said in your video as factual first. To date I've witnessed you post multiple videos with questionable tactics unstated credentials and rather dubious origins. To state I have no ability to extend you further credibility would be somewhat understated. Drivel with no factual basis is and.remaina drivel | ||
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| I would actually care to help you see my point of view on these subjects (for you to be open to possibilities, but you have to take some initiative on what I've said and do some research) but you aren't really an open minded kind of person from what I have gathered here and from our past crossings and we really don't like one another anyways, so what's the point. All your here to do is argue with me. So now, you don't wanna go there with the video I posted due to personal reasons I'm sure, but deep down you know that you can't debunk Chuck Missler and his research on the Bible. No one can. Try. Download a Hebrew copy of the Bible or Torah. Follow his instructions, get a translator and do it. You might then actually change your point of view on things and will realize you might actually be wrong on your assertions that the Bible is written by man (without divine guidance) that's been mistranslated or is nothing more than a fake, false, story book. Well, I guess I can help out with a source of info/credentials so you can get to know whom Chuck Missler was as a person. His background, education, and experiences can all be found here: Chuck Missler Wiki Page. |
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| Thanks for sharing that information actually. I wll check into it thoroughly. You sell short my curiousity for new infoation and understanding ..I will research it and thanks again | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSothWell hat's convenient. No, no one was there for the big bang, but we do have evidence of the event observable in the natural world including (but not limited to) the red shift. We have evidence of man being on the moon via which we can bounce lasers off prisms left on the surface. We have evidence of the primordial soup as a potential source of the building blocks of life in that we can recreate conditions that would be likely in the early liquids on earth while under intense UV radiation and electrical energy that exists from atmospheric friction during eruptions (which you can still see in the form of lighting within volcanic eruptions dependent upon the speed of ejection). How do we know this? Chemistry, we know what elements exist on earth and what reactions are likely and common between said elements. You have a complete ignorance of and in science. And that's fine, but your responding to science with definitions of words from dictionaries and the repeated statement it's your belief. The issue is you keep passing off your belief as fact in the way you've attacked the Catholic church, accused all scientists of being liars and providing no verifiable evidence of any of your statements. You've turned to personal attacks and literally attacking an entire religion as being created as a false Christianity by a sorcerer (your words). Some held with this conversation much longer than I yesterday as there was clearly no point in continuing. SO this is it for me. Some other information we have as scientists which I encourage you to research yourself includes first oxygen in the marine environment (creating banded iron formations), first evidence of free oxygen in the atmosphere (in the form of red beds), evidence of early life in stromatolites, etc... Now you can always argue that "Satan is misleading you by embedding these lies into rock", which I've heard before, but these assertions are beyond science. They're statements, passed off as fact, with one purpose; to fight discomfort in the face of evidence that may challenge your literal belief in a mystical document. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 Ok so now your attacking me personally. Calling me ignorant when I use your own science meanings and definitions to prove your "theory" is just as silly to Christians as mine sounds to you. I have implied many times in my answers and responses that being offensive is not my intentions and I'm not trying to make anyone believe what I believe. You are the one that's out of line here, and it shows in the other Captain Marvel thread I posted where you claim I'm trying to induce conflict.... Can't we all just get along? |
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| I enjoy a good conversation about life, science, and the universe as much as the next guy, but I want to chime in here and tell you guys that not everyone has to agree with you. People have different thoughts, beliefs, religions, and perspectives. No one person has all the answers, and to think they do is preposterous. If this is a topic that you can't be involved in without being insulting, perhaps you should just skip this thread. You don't have to read it. It's not a requirement. You will not be tested on it, I assure you. Just move on and read something that may be more of interest to you. That said, I highly recommend reading or even researching something outside your wheelhouse of "expertise," from time to time because a different perspective can sometimes enlighten you and help you grow. When you close yourself off from any information that differs from your own beliefs, thoughts, opinions, etc, you are really doing yourself a disservice. It's sad to me that we as a species live at a time when there is so much information at our fingertips, but we choose to ignore and vilify everything we're uncomfortable with. Anyway, everyone enjoy your Memorial Day weekend! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts On that note, what non-biblical stories document DNA boats during the time of Noah's great flood? I haven't heard of this. |
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| It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. – Aristotle As I said previously, I would rather have questions I cannot answer than answers I cannot question |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS The myth of the great flood has its seeds more than 1,000 years before it was recreated in the biblical telling as stated here... Most arguments suggesting DNA type boats come from the realization that no possible boat could contain the more then 1.2 billion species and all their food ..it became trendy during the "hot rods of the gods" genera to suggest that rather than actual animals, these ships carried dna necessary to recreate all species. The obvious and most notable fail involved is the idea what about plants? If you submerge earth for forty days and kill all plants, then you lose all oxygen as well as food for herbivores.So these DNA barges would also of necessity have to be carrying seeds, or saplings, or transportable versions of all plants as well. If the boats only carried DNA you would not require oxygen nor food for the animals and it also allows you to sidestep what would become of millions of tons of animal excrement creating methane as it decays in an environment already losing its oxygen content, and without plants to remove carbon dioxide..... it is pseudo science fiction science at its finest ...as for sources or documentation you might try.....Ancient Aliens the series? Not saying it was aliens...but it was aliens..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth |
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| @Darkseid_of_town I said DNA as in this is all that the Book of Genesis is about. When I said they collected DNA, I didn't mean they harvested it from animals and used a refrigerator.... when I say Original DNA, I'm talking about the DNA that wasn't corrupted and modified from Gods original DNA creation by the fallen angels. To go further into the details of the story of Genesis satan & his fallen angels came to earth and corrupted all mankind and beast alike - trying to destroy Gods original creation (DNA) so he set forth the task of chosen families around the world to gather two of each kind (non DNA altered babies) and preserve them. Hence the story of the flood all around the world. This is why we have different races and animals specific to certain regions of the world to this day. Noah's family was chosen for the Blood line of Jesus and are the only family told of in the Bible because they are Gods chosen. If the flood didn't happen, then Gods original creation would have been lost and the DNA from Adam destroyed. That was satan's big plan from the start. Then Jesus wouldn't have been of Adam's original DNA and couldn't have redeemed us all as a sacrifice meaning we all came from Adam. Here is a link explaining the importance to keep Jesus's DNA pure: Importance of Pure DNA. Also for the epic of Gilgamesh you like to throw out: A popular theory, proposed by liberal "scholars," said that the Hebrews "borrowed" from the Babylonians, but no conclusive proof has ever been offered. The differences, including religious, ethical, and sheer quantity of details, make it unlikely that the Biblical account was dependent on any extant source from the Sumerian traditions. This still does not stop these liberal and secular scholars from advocating such a theory. The most accepted theory among evangelicals is that both have one common source, predating all the Sumerian forms. The divine inspiration of the Bible would demand that the Genesis account is the correct version. Indeed the Hebrews were known for handing down their records and tradition. The Book of Genesis is viewed for the most part as an historical work, even by many liberal scholars, while the Epic of Gilgamesh is viewed as mythological. The One-source Theory must, therefore, lead back to the historical event of the Flood and Noah's Ark. To those who believe in the inspiration and infallibility of the Bible, it should not be a surprise that God would preserve the true account of the Flood in the traditions of His people. The Genesis account was kept pure and accurate throughout the centuries by the providence of God until it was finally compiled, edited, and written down by Moses. The Epic of Gilgamesh, then, contains the corrupted account as preserved and embellished by peoples who did not follow the God of the Hebrews. REFERENCES Keller, Werner, The Bible as History, (New York: William Morrow and Company, 1956), p. 32. Sanders, N.K., The Epic of Gilgamesh ,(an English translation with introduction) (London: Penguin Books, 1964), p. 9. Graves, Robert, The Creek Myths, Volume 1,(London: Penguin Books, 1960), pp. 138-143. Rehwinkel, Alfred M., The Flood in the Light of the Bible, Geology, and Archaeology, (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing, 1951), p. 129. O'Brien, J. Randall, "Flood Stories of the Ancient Near East", Biblical Illustrator, (Fall 1986, volume 13, number 1), p. 61. Barton, George A., Archaeology and the Bible, (Philadelphia: American Sunday School Union, 1916), pp. 273-277 Keller, The Bible as History, p. 33. Whitcomb, John C. and Morris, Henry M., The Genesis Flood, (Phillipsburg: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1961), p. 38. Heidel, Alexander, The Gilgamesh Epic and Old Testament Parallels, (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1949), p. 13. O'Brien, "Flood Stories of the Ancient Near East", p. 61. Heidel, The Gilgamesh Epic and Old Testament Parallel, p. 13. Sanders, The Epic of Gilgamesh, p. 21. Vos, Howard F., Genesis and Archaeology, (Chicago: Moody Press, 1963), p. 35. Sanders, The Epic of Gilgamesh, pp. 20-23. Ibid., pp. 30 39. Ibid., pp. 39-42. The Bible as History, p. 33. Sanders, The Epic of Gilgamesh, p. 109. O'Brien, "Flood Stories of the Ancient Near East", pp. 62, 63. Morris, Henry M., Science and the Bible, (Chicago: Moody Press, 1986), p. 85. O'Brien, "Flood Stories of the Ancient Near East", p. 64. Ibid. Ibid. Morris, Science and the Bible, p. 92. Ibid., p. 85. Whitcomb, John C., The Early Earth (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1986), p. 134; Whitcomb and Morris, The Genesis Flood, p. 488. |
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| 'What does God need with a Starship?' -James Tiberius Kirk If 'God' needed to purify DNA, or whatever, why not just will it so? You mean he can't undo Satan's meddling with a mere thought? Isn't he all-powerful? What does God need with a flood? |
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| @Marximus Couldn't God destroy anything he wanted, but always sent his angels to take out complete armies/civilizations? Yes. Couldn't God have just willed it so like you suggested to do anything he wanted? Yes. But he uses Mankind, his greatest creation as his tools. God is always looking to use men and women for His glory. The Bible tells us that the eyes of the Lord go throughout the Earth looking for someone through whom He will show Himself strong (2 Chronicles 16:9). In the selection of the people He uses, God does not consider giftings or personal achievements, but availability and readiness of heart. Based on his book – “And they shall be called the Sons of God,” God is not looking for VIPs, but He is looking for SVPs – Servants, Visionaries, and Partners. Based on the examples of the heroes of the Bible, what it means to be a servant, to have a genuine vision and to partner with the Holy Spirit. Plus He is the Creator. He uses Creation. |
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| I've always had a problem with [paraphrasing], "all things happen according to God's will". Doesn't that negate our "free" will, and doesn't that mean all things evil also happen according to His will? I know that leads to the convenience of "we can't know the mind of God", but I have to question it. |
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| I always wondered, is Christianity just another "mythology" that just happened to last a bit longer than others. You figure Egyptian, Roman, Norse, they all are considered mythology now. However during their respective time periods, they were considered the religion of the time. They all have common themes, but dont all civilizations? It always makes me wonder how anybody can truly be sure. I suppose that's why it's called "faith"? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS No. What I personally thinks it means is that God already knows the outcome of everything. Our free will allows us to do either good or evil. Choose right or wrong. Choose to worship Him or not and gives us this as our choice. You know within your mind/consciousness and heart if your doing something wrong or evil, as well as doing something good or righteous. You know cause you have a soul and this is the gift he gives you of free will so you can pick what side if the fence your playing on. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte IMO, when Jesus came to teach the gospel, God already realized all the other teachings and religions on the earth, hence the reason Jesus came to teach. He witnessed all the wrong other religions that paid heed to demons & devils (the fallen) & taught to correct it. (Paganism, Babylon Mystery Religion, Dagon, Ashtoreth, Bael, Planet Worship, Necromancy, etc). True Christianity (not Catholicism) was & is the one true faith. But then again, this is MY personal opinion and my answer to your inquiries. |
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| The Existence of God and the knowledge gained through science are NOT mutually exclusive or incompatible: https://www.magiscenter.com/23-famous-scientists-who-are-not-atheists/ Whenever people state that the theory of an expanding universe disproves the existence of God or can be used to show how biblical texts are in error, I direct the person to do research into who is credited with originally proposing the theory of the Big Bang: https://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/scientists_lemaitre.html |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth I was looking back through this thread and realize what I did wrong. I've reworded it to the manner you should find agreeable. You're fairly ignorant of science (here using the definition of ignorant as lackign knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing". It is NOT an isult, nor is it a comment on intellect. Be unaware of something does not make anyone "less" and is ALWAYS the way I use the term). I'm sorry if reading that offends you, but your posts indicate as much. So, ask yourself; how did you become so unable to understand scientific principles? Was it because your family has always been *insert your religion here*? Is it being misguided by access to internet conspiracies that somehow make your life feel more full? To be part of an exclusive club of the "knowledgable" while others dwell in darkness? Maybe you've simply never been exposed to science information before? It might seem offensive at first, how science and belief and God can seem somehow incompatible, but that was not my intent. Now, however, would be a good time to some some research on the science information provided here. |
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| I lean more towards science, but am open to (and often entertain) the idea that all this science on Earth, and cool stuff happening out there in space is how God does it. All the comets and asteroids that hit Earth during the late heavy bombardment, bringing liquid water to Earth- Maybe that's how He did it. Maybe it's just the Universe doing what it does (my hunch). I refuse to believe we are the only life, intelligent or not, in this Universe. I feel saying so from a religious POV is Man limiting God, and quite arrogant & prideful. People thousands of years ago couldn't wrap their minds around the concept of 1,000,000,000. I doubt they'd understand the idea of life on other planets. |
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| For all we know, everything we see is the aftermath of God sneezing, looking into His hanky, shrugging, and saying, "Huh. Look at that. Let's go with it." | ||
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| @VaComicsGuy you already know my background on the Catholic religion from my previous post. For them to believe in a big bang doesn't suprise me one bit. They do after all own all the huge important telescopes around the world. | ||
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| @etapi65 who are you to tell anyone they are ignorant of anything? You can't judge me... you don't know me. You're arrogant and anyone here that reads your post can come to this conclusion. Quote: Originally Posted by etapi65 Here, let me word it so you can understand what I'm asking you in your own terms: I've reworded it to the manner you should find agreeable. You're fairly ignorant of Creationism (here using the definition of ignorant as lackign knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing". I'm sorry if reading that offends you, but your posts indicate as much. So, ask yourself; how did you become so unable to understand creation/religion principles? Maybe you've simply never been exposed to religious information before? Doesn't really feel too good does it? Honestly you really need to just not contribute to our conversations if all your going to do is constantly insult and put down fellow forum members. @SteveRicketts already gave a global warning for all of us users in the thread about keeping it civil, then you come right back with the same negative comments. Guess you want to get banned? |
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| Addition to my prior post; a leading authority in DNA research, Head of the Human Genome project, elected member of the National Academy of Science, and recipient of the presidential medal of freedom for his work on DNA research is deeply religious and has even written on his belief in God. https://nihrecord.nih.gov/newsletters/2007/11_30_2007/story4.htm https://www.amazon.com/Language-God-Scientist-Presents-Evidence/dp/1416542744 --- I'm not trying to tell anyone what to believe or what not to believe. I have respect for individuals and think they should live their lives as they see fit. I do however dislike when individuals take an all or nothing approach and argue that one position automatically excludes the other. |
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| I have one. Due to conservation of energy, the energy that is you goes on forever. Due to quantum entanglement, you stay together throughout eternity. Will I be measurable? Maybe around 20 watts. Not enough to be Captain Atom, but I could be Captain Static Electricity, just for fun. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSothWho are you to tell the entire Catholic religion that their religion is a fake Christianity based on the distortion of a sorcerer? But, apparently, as long as you word it in a way where you explicit say you're not intending to insult them, then it's OK. You established a precedent of communication you find agreeable. I'm attempting to follow the format as you took offense to my use of the term ignorant. I am VERY familiar with Creationism, Evolution and Intelligent Design (as championed by Stephen Meyer). I have yet to make any comments about belief or disbelief in any religion. You're taking it as such because I don't just agree with your assertions. So, either it's OK for everyone to insult others in this others in this forum as long as they state that's not their intention (as you've been doing), or everyone needs to show the same level of respect and not completely denigrate other's. I keep trying to follow your lead, and you keep changing the rules. |
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| @doog Worst super powers ever.  |
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| @doog kinda like when Superman spun the earth backwards to reverse time. Her energy field was entangled (always entwined) so he just backed it up enough before that point that Lois Lane was killed to save her. Haha. | ||
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