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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Sorry, gravitational force is simply based on the mass of the objects. spinning is only required to create artificial gravity. Though, the spinning is involved with how tides operate; it's still based on the role gravity plays as centripetal force. |
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| @ Darkside_of_town Right on! That saved me soooo much time typing! Thank you. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65Ah yes, for some reason I was thinking of the layers of ozone for some reason...you are on point sir |
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| You all can jump me about whether or not I know what the shape of the earth is or not. But being that all the evidence shows me that we have never went to space proves my theory to me, no more than what your ideas of your theories proves to you. That's your opinions and I have mine. It's funny how most of you just toss out everything else I stated earlier in my post, but attack me when I was asked about the earth. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Yeah, it happens, I even say inaccurate things regularly when in a hurry. I have a major issue with letting stuff like this go. Part of my job for 5 years was as a science extension agent. 50% of my job was dealing with inaccuracies of how science in conveyed to the public and the role that was playing in eroding public trust of science. Which is why none of this is relevant to a comic forum and any "evidence" from anyone (INCLUDING ME) should always be verified. But the cesspool that is the interwebs...well, you can find whatever you want to support whatever you want to believe if you look hard enough for it. I just have trouble letting it go. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSothMost of the rest of what you wrote is religious in nature, which by definition has no ability to be verified or refuted by science. The rest is based on string theory, which is beyond my expertise (and I don't pretend otherwise), which is still also, a largely unsupported concept in science. Technology may advance to the point that one day we can definitively prove or disprove sting theory; but we're not there yet. So speaking about it as a layman is just conceptual speculation. It's the equivalent of the average 5 year old discussing partial differential equations or linear algebra. Those 5 years old may be having a great time, but you don't want to quote them on anything they say. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65Excellent comments....I respect someone who understands science and is able to use reason and logic so well. It is so difficult at times with people who cannot grasp logic, evidence or understand how to evaluate information based on those factors. I read dozens of peer reviewed science papers weekly @ dinosaur and paleontological issues and that's how I arrive at my questioning state and constant inability to accept pseudo science, innuendo and badly done parking lot conspiracy theory silliness …….. |
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| @Darkseid_of_town Talk about pseudo science. That's all science is. The big bang theory. Hundreds of billion kazillion years ago nothing blew up and made a rock. Magically it rained on this rock a gazillion years and lo and behold, the first common single cell ancestor of EVERYTHING on this planet happened! So @etapi65 when you say that all I said is more religion than science, your science is no more fact than my religion. In fact science is your religion. It cant be proven any more than my religion. There is no difference. So don't sit there and try to say that mines religion (belief/fantasy) & yours is actual proof cause it's science when it's the exact same; a belief system. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSothsigh, the radiation there are charged particles or ionized radiation, not things like alpha, beta radiation from decay radioactive decay or from nuclear blasts. Not all radiation is the same. Some radiation can impact people, but not electronics; some radiation can impact electronics while having minimal (read negligible) impacts on organic matter. protons (one type of charged particle) are easily blocked by epoxy resins and aluminum. Free electrons are blocked by things like stainless steel. During the moon missions, exposure to this radiation would only represent about 6 total hours (not that long for this kind of radiation); from which the body can recover. However, he video you have linked is about LONG term exposure by having something hanging out in the Van allen belt for long (decades) periods of time. Also, it'd be great if you could find the original, unedited and spliced version of this video, where the dude says all of this. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth It would seem that way to people who choose to ignore science, or, don't have the understanding required. If you're not good at math; and someone throws a bunch of stats in front of you it becomes a belief. I get that. I did not say religion was fantasy. I said it cannot be scientifically tested by saying "has no ability to be verified or refuted by science". You're making assumptions about my religious beliefs, of which you know nothing. You are 100% correct science cannot be proven. That's not how science works. It's either supported or refuted by the best data we're able to collect, using the best technology available at any time, using the best mathmatical methods to which we have access in a way to try and answer questions about the natural world. So, hey, you got one right. |
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| Incidentally you will notice the man in the video has no stated NASA credentials, and no title nor office is given for this supposed spokesperson....just that its apparently Nasa stating something...without the benefit of their public relations speaker and of course, without any credentials, titles, or clear links to Nasa...using masked and altered voices no less....ugh As for science not being verifiable or known to be truth vs religion. If you jump off a building you fall and go splat....so we know the theory of gravity is FACT. if you stick your hand in fire you will get burnt, so we can test combustion and establish it is fact....the list goes on and on...we can test and verify science all day everyday ….that's the magic of science, its true even if you don't believe in it.... Science offers the best theory it can to fit all current evidence until new evidence presents itself at which point science reexamines the evidence and makes a new hypothesis. I would far rather have questions I cannot answer than anwers I cannot question. Religion is based on faith and beliefs...not fact nor evidence. Demonstrate proof of any god or deity. You cannot...do you accept thor or Zeus as real gods? If you do so please provide what evidence you used to make that determination and I will apply it to your own, thanks. You may believe what you like...it is a belief. Science is evidence that is fact based, transparent and verifiable. Huge difference...mis-stating the big bang or the origins of life and using oversimplification demonstrates lack of understanding not lack of evidence. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65Nice talking to you Etapi, be well. I am off to bed ...hope you enjoy your evening and thanks for the stimulating viewpoints and discussion |
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@etapi65 If it has to be observed and tested multiple times in order for it to be considered Science and entered in as fact. Where and when has there ever been proof that life will evolve out of nothing? The "primordial ooze." Its never been tested so how can it be the foundation for Science and all life as we know it? It's never been observed. It's a belief system.  So the way I see it, my God (the creator) made the world & everything in the universe. My belief system is actually more believable than a big bang theory that science is based on.  So if energy can't be created or destroyed but can only be transformed or changed from one form to another, and being that we are held within the laws of psychics, being we are only third dimensional, it stand to prove that it takes an outside dimensional being to be able to create life as we know it. In my conclusion, it is God, the creator, (a being that isn't held by the laws of physics we are held to). That had the ability to move and transfer the energy needed. But then again, it's my opinion, and belief. That's why we have free will, to choose to believe in what you will. |
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| I have to admit, a lot of the stuff discussed is quite interesting but beyond me. However if I could, I'd buy a round of drinks for the group just for the intellectual stimulation beyond the stupid 90s comics I was reading prior.... |
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| truly time for bed...the old and worn idea life is energy therefore....Life is not energy, that is oversimplification to attempt to make the first law of thermodynamics somehow apply to something it has no hold over.....life is made from proteins, amino acids and hundreds of other building blocks... as for the argument no one has replicated the primordial ooze rise of life thing...done since the the fifties and not that difficult, sorry https://nationalpost.com/health/scientists-recreate-primordial-ooze-believed-to-birth-all-life-say-it-can-prevent-infections-after-major-surgery https://phys.org/news/2018-05-scientists-primordial-life-earth-replicated.html https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-demonstrate-how-primordial-life-on-earth-replicated/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-structure-arose-in-the-primordial-soup/?redirect=1 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Fine. I'll go into the ooze discussion with you at this point. So where did the amino acids, proteins, building blocks come from? Again, nothing? Everything came from nothing? No need to further explain the flaws of the so called "recreated" "primordial ooze" when the scientist cheated and added the amino acids, proteins, and building blocks.... So now, I'll take away the foundation the ooze lie is built on.... I will go to what happened before the so called "ooze." The big bang. If energy can't be created or destroyed only transferred or changed from one form to another. Then where did the energy come from to make the "bang" and what exactly exploded? Refer to the bottom half of my post above to see the answer. It takes an outside force not bound to our dimensional laws to be able to "step in" our dimension and do whatever it wants. I'm sure you understand dimensions. Here's a crash course. A two dimensional being can be shown on paper. Draw a box & put a dot inside. The dot represents a being in the second dimension. It can only see within the square drawn. You can draw another dot outside that square because you are a third dimensional being and are not held to the laws of the second dimension like the dot being you created within the square. Neither dot being will know the other exists. Now, being we are third dimensional, and we can go in and out of the second dimensional world we drawn (the square) & we can interact with the dots whenever we feel, but we move away, then the dot begins no longer see us in their dimension. This is exactly how these higher beings from higher dimensions interact with us (as I stated in my earlier post.) So if we're in a room, we see an "alien being" then it suddenly vanishes (like a ghost) it's of a higher dimension, another example, just like foot steps or a knocking sound, most might relate to a haunting). So in order for energy to be transferred from one form to another, but can not be created, nor destroyed, it takes an outside force not held within our bound laws of physics. IE- God, the creator. |
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| Your solution is self defeating. If energy cannot be created nor destroyed then even some imaginaty being from another dimension would be unable to violate the physics of our dinension to create or destroy energy within this dinension ...either a physical rule exists or does not. If it exists you do not get to conjure a ghost in the machine to magically violate it. This aside from I assume you are unaware of the deep space imzges we have showing the big bang even now as it is still happening out there and that we can now measure and see the effect occurring which verifies it solidly as fact...the argument noone can make for sure is what was it's initial spark. Perhaps some Divine bring said..let there be or perhaps it was a natural phenomen. Of that noone can say for sure you could be right about that |
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| There's a theory that the big bang is the eruption of energy consumed by a black hole from another universe...i.e. the multiverse theory. You guys should subscribe to Curiosity Stream. Fantastic streaming service! A significant portion of its programming is all about this type of stuff. I've subscribed for almost 2 years now. |
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| @GAC any what created the multiverse? A creator. Science can loop their big bang to infinity with the "multiverse" theory, but it all has to start someplace. It can be renamed to whatever they want, it's still a belief system, and the conscious creator theory still makes more sense then a big bang theory and I used science and it's own definitions to prove that. | ||
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| @GanaSoth there was a time when civilization needed God to explain the sun rise, droughts, changing seasons etc. Then science explained you didn't need God for that. It's only a matter of time (some may say that time has come and gone) before science proves there is no God. | ||
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| @Steverogers11 Haha. It's all in what you want to believe. It's your reality. | ||
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| @GAC that will never happen. Try as they may, man will never become a God themselves. Now that you mention that... The irony of the Genesis story is that Satan tells Adam & Eve that they will live forever, know all God knows, and be like God. When in reality, they already had all those things.... Seems like too me that (in my belief system) that satan is using science to tell man the exact same thing he did too Adam & Eve. And it has taken God out of the equation (like you said) with that belief system called science. |
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| Which makes you really question the motives of a God who desires to keep you ignorant and punishes you for gaining knowledge so much like the church has punished everyone from Newton on for trying to learn. | ||
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| Galileo got f**ked up by the church for theorising that the earth is not the center of the universe and his refusal to retract his theory. | ||
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| I really don't want to get into the "church" or the "Catholics" because that belief system is totally not of Gods will (IMHO). It is all based on Paganism. If you read the Bible, go to Acts Chapter 8. You will see that this is where real Christianity goes up against the false belief system. There is a man named Simon Magnus the sorcerer. He was a high priest of the Babylon mystery religion. Their priest were also called Petras or Peters. You can actually look up the person named Simon Magnus and research him. He was called Simon Peter... the so called Apostle of Jesus Simon Peter that made the first church in Rome. But if you know your Bible, you will know that the real Simon Peter was in prison elsewhere when the fist catholic Roman church was built so it wasn't the Apostle Simon Peter, but Simon Magnus - the sorcerer Petra, Peter. Why do you guys think there's so much pagan beliefs in the Catholic doctrine? The fake Simon "Peter/Petra" Magnus is the first false belief system founder, and with it they gained wealth and power. And with this wealth & power they try to gain control over everything (real christianity to world Domination). If their are Catholics reading this that are offended, I appologize. But ask yourself how did you become catholic. Was it because your family's always been catholic? Maybe you have never been exposed to this information before? It might seem offensive at first; not my intention, but now would be a good time to do some research on some of the things I said here. |
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| If there is a Creator....then who created the Creator? The universe is finely and delicately tuned for life to exist. Why are there laws of physics? |
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