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| Fossil records and transitional states have NOTHING to do with the existence (or lack of existence) of a deity or higher power. Science guy: Look I can prove that this T-Rex turned into a chicken by way of evolution. Therefore, there is no God. Religious guy: Nope, Evolution is how God did it. Evolution does not prove (or disprove) anything that is based in faith anymore than accounting tells me how to paint my house. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth I actually mostly agree with what you are saying, but its still incorrect and badly slanted so let me help you with it. First , the entire discussion about big bang and evolution vs god triggered from this posting...recognize it? This is where the initial comments were made and notice please it is religion attempting to deny science..because..god. SO when science defends itself, all the elegant whining about flag planting and science having to allow for the possibility of god etc....are sadly out of place and attempting to argue from that corner is ....to say the least a transfer of blame . Moving forward, lets take your stated analogy...which is badly stated in an attempt to humiliate science...but let me adjust it for you to fit facts. Science guy: Look I can prove that avian dinosaurs evolved into three cladeforms that were the ancestral species to all modern aves including chickens. We can assert this based on fossil, genetic, dna and cladistic evidence. We dispute creation as the possible mechanism given the lack of proof of any creational master being,at this time, of any form.Given the burden of evidence supports evolution we suggest this as the likely mechanism for the origin of modern aves. We submit these fossils, these tests, and these images as evidence . All responses are WELCOME and will be responded to with proper scientifi method, thanks Religious guy" Nope evolution is how God did it...(which could be 1000 percent correct since we have no evidence for a creator, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.However there is no evidence AT THIS TIME TO SUPPORT THIS LINE OF ASSERTION The line of assertion remains open but not supported by evidence.If you disagree with us you will be publicly attacked, excommunicated, burnt at the stake or shamed for daring to defy religious dogma Again since you worry about flag planting so much...science never seeks to prove anything, they seek to build the best possible answer based on the presented evidence..once more evidence presents a new hypothesis is formed to allow for any new data. Evolution need not prove anything, it isnt a goal...and honestly your example lacks because... when you paint your house you cannot buy paint, stripper, brushes and sandpaper, tarping, rollers and etc without first...checking your budget, doing the accounting work to determine your financial abilities and limits, so even within your own example, yes accounting affects your house painting...it doesnt tell you how, but based on your financial state it will help shape your paint and prep choices . Also and most importantly we have watched you throw a fit about allowing the possibility god exists, and that science is guilty of flag planting, while othes have raved and ranted there is no evidence for transitonal species nor evolution. In each case science makes a conclusion, or offers a theory we are met with staggering demands for evidence, more evidence and then repeated evidence ...validation. Meantime we are besieged with the argument we must allow for this possibility and that, this myth or that to be true or this biased pseudo science to work when it wont. So shouldnt religion face the same burdens? the same proof requirements? the same incredibly detailed examination of each and every supernatural conclusion asserted?If religion states, there are no transitonal fossils shouldnt they offer any form of evidence beyond podcasts filled with ranting assertions about aliens and faces on Mars? Shouldnt religion by its own standards imposed on science be required to document, provide evidence and peer reviewed study for every single attack on science, evidence and established theory? We are not living in the dark ages where scientists can be excommunicated or shamed for disagreeing with religious dogma...shouldnt it be an even playing field? I agree with your argument that science and god are not exclusive to one another, but then again that was never the point of this discussion since it began and is a straw man argument you have run up the pole to alter the terms of the debate.I stated early on that god is a possibility and science HAS to allow that possibility.The argument has been the attempt to discredit science and deny evolution and big bang theory based on....religion. Move past it, noone here is refusing to accept god could exist, god could have created or god could have used evolution to shape the fauna around us....my point from the beginning has been the science is verifiable, real and exists for big bang and evolution....you can place that within a biblical context if thats what makes your soul smile..im fine with that. Oh and almost forgot...   |
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| @Darkseid_of_town ok that's your opinion(s). I have mine you have yours. Great. | ||
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| I couldn't agree more. Everyone has right to their own belief or understanding. I can respect that...You are welcome to your beliefs and ideals, and for me I prefer the science, evidence , hypothesis thing. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Again, yes, its your opinion that what you believe has evidence to your belief. Same with us Creationists. Each system (IMO) opposes the other. One says God created, the other, the big bang. My belief says God created everything, male & female, to bring forth after it's kind. Like the question I asked earlier, "what came first, the chicken or the egg?"; (don't get hung up on the word chicken) as it goes for all variations of chickens & their ancestors; this goes for all creatures on the planet. (I'm also not just talking about "hard-shell" eggs.) Someone's answer to that was "the egg" or "the egg was in existence way before the chicken because of the use of eggs predates the chicken." But was the first egg fertilized? The egg just didn't form prefertilized from a cell or organism (because evolution takes millions of years to occur; therefore the egg wasn't just an egg for millions of years until it developed fertilizer for itself). Why? Because it takes a male & female. So my mind and belief goes with what is told to us in the Bible. Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so." Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Evolutionists believe the opposite. This is why, IMO, both belief systems oppose one another and God didn't use evolution. But, getting back on subject, my point being, yes, its your opinion that what you believe has evidence to your belief. Same with us Creationists. |
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| I belive over the past 96 hours I have made every fair effort to provide explantions for the differences between evidence and belief, fact and myth. I have made every effort to then display the evidence for the science related to evolution, as well as a few other members of the forum have also. I feel it is fair to say for myself and a few others we have bent over backwards to give time and effort to offer answers, evidence and explanations. I refuse to post further on this topic. I feel that the op posting responses is trolling the forum, either using it as a pulpit for their religion or attempting to provoke other members to receive a ban or suspensension. Either way it has become exhaustingly clear that no matter the evidence and facts provided, and no matter the effort spent to clarify the science behind them denialism will continue rearing its misguided and ugly head sadly. Honestly the last thing we all need is the chicken and egg explained yet again, as it was so clearly a few days ago already. I believe the forum members will accept and understand my refusal to respond further,judging from the messages I have been getting. Aside from, many of the concepts being attacked here are established biology, not evolution and fourth grade school children have a solid handle on such concepts, as single sex reproduction,cell division, the presence of animals that are capable of switching sexes, or born with both sexual capabilities. For me at least it has become a waste of time and energy, and I refuse to play the game anymore. The meme says it all pretty well for me....  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town That's where you're wrong.... You are still calling your science fact because you think it has evidence to support your beliefs; which makes sense to you. Then you call Creationism myth though science supports a Creator over a "nothing." That's your problem.... not mine... Again, its your opinion that what you believe has evidence to your belief. Same with us Creationists. |
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| New question. Which came first, the rooster or the hen? |
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| @X51 My belief says God created everything, male & female, to bring forth after it's kind the same day. It was complete. No need to evolve. If evolution is true, looking at it from an evolutionist stand point; before the chicken was an actual chicken, let's go back to the single cell organism. What made it want to develope a brain? Lungs? A stomach? Take the heart for instance. What came first, the heart or the blood? If the blood came first, where were the veins to contain the blood? If the blood came first, where was the heart to pump it? If it didn't have veins, it wouldn't need a heart, if it didn't have a heart it wouldn't need blood. So you see, over millions of years of evolution, why would certain parts need to evolve other parts if it didn't realize it needed those other parts to make parts function from the start? Simple, God created everything, male & female, to bring forth after it's kind. From the start. It was complete, no need to evolve. Now, go back to the "chicken or the egg" point I made earlier (see below). They both go hand in hand. Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth |
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Quote:Originally Posted by X51 Well X by today’s stands it was it or he/she? But They where confused. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Buzbe No kidding! Men think they are women, women think they are men, and our children have no idea which restroom to go pee in. Lot of confusion in today's society. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Accept, in nature, there are naturally hermaphrodites. Including in humans. There are also species that reproduce asexually, organisms that can change sexes, and organisms with no sex. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town And you did a very detailed and thorough job of it, bringing up things I wasn't aware of, but... Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town This seems dismissive, and sounds like a matter of "having the last word". The "other side" can say the same thing after each of your posts. This is what makes some posts sound as though "changing someone's mind" IS the intention. Trust that the reader can differentiate between a well structured discussion and beating a dead horse.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65  Poor organisms. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 Hermaphrodites aren't natural in the human species. That's like saying a two headed goat or snake is natural. Hermaphroditism, is clinically known as "ovotesticular disorder of sex development." Quote: Originally Posted by etapi65 Asexual reproduction is a type of reproduction by which offspring arise from a single organism, and inherit the genes of that parent only; it does not involve the fusion of gametes, and almost never changes the number of chromosomes. Asexual reproduction is the primary form of reproduction for single-celled organisms such as archaea and bacteria. Many plants and fungi sometimes reproduce asexually. Earthworms, but just look at an earthworm, who can tell. Quote: Originally Posted by etapi65 They still require one or the other to be either a female or a male. None of the above sexual references you stated even come close to undermining what I stated above about evolution and Creation. Like I told the other guy, if you believe in evolution then that's fine and dandy. We're all entitled to our opinions. Just don't tell us Creationist that the big bang is fact and that Creation is a myth. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth So you're saying hermaphrodites are created artificially? So, are you indicating this is a conspiracy of doctors to create this genetic issue? Or are you saying that "errors" in the genes aren't natural...because they definitely are. This is a natural genetic deformity. The probability is somewhere around 1 in 2000 (at minimum, could be as high as 1 in 1500), or, in other words: We have approximately 4 million babies born in the US annually, meaning 2,000 hermaphrodites born in the US EACH YEAR. Or, from children aged newborn to 10 years old there are 200,000 hermaphrodites. As far as probabilities go, that's about almost 3 times as likely as experiencing a negative reaction to a vaccine. It's part of natural, genetic variability. Genetic flaws are part of reproduction. As for your comment about agreeing with my statement about asexual reproduction...but then saying that doesn't discount the need for male and female as two separate sexes. Clearly, asexual reproduction does exactly that and is not even remotely close to being relegated to single-celled organisms, fungi and plants, but I applaud your ability to use wikipedia for definitions of stuff and read the first sentence or two. Reptiles, in particular can reproduce asesexually and this is seen in nearly 50% of organisms in kingdom Animalia, with some of them having distinct sexes and some of them NOT. Even phylums (like echinodermata) it varies species to species. So if God didn't create hermaphrodites, and there is no genetic variability or change, how do we have them? "well it's a mistake" caused by what, genetic variability maybe? "Well there aren't records of hermaphrodites dating back to..." 1st, yes there are Hippocrates and Aristotle both spoke of hermaphrodites (though I don't think that was the term used), 2nd; many would have been killed as children as abominations. Likely by religious parents, or, it would be kept a secret. Even today, at birth, the doctor tends to ask the parent what sex they want to choose and most common is to remove the male genitalia as it's much less invasive in terms of procedure. Also, I'm not saying anything about evolution. You made a claim "God created everything Male & Female". This is false, and easily shown to be false. This is false at every level of organismal complexity, among each of the 5 kingdoms. So, if God only created male and female, where did the non-gendered, asexually reproducing organisms come from? Or, maybe those humans who took down the word of God could not conceive of these types of life cycles; many of them being geographically indigenous outside the bounds of the Middle East and Mediterranean. As for this "modern confusion of the sexes" It's not modern. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057%2Fs41280-018-0080-8 I you look up the writings of Hippocrates, he saw gender as a spectrum with "hermaphrodites" being the mid-point. We have an abundance of information from ancient Greek writings about gender fluidity. Even the old testament and new testament address this in stories and references to Sodom and Gamorrah. Remember a cardinal offense to God of Sodom was also from Ezekiel was "they did not help the poor and needy". We also see this behaviour in primates, sharks, birds (penguins and flamingos come to mind from papers I've read), nearly every animal. |
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| @MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS No orgasms for those organisms. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 Don't be putting words in my mouth. I never even remotely said such a thing.... it's a "disorder" as I stated before.... Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth Quote: Originally Posted by etapi65 Again, if your going to quote someone, don't leave out commas as that will change the meaning of a complete sentence. I said "Simple, God created everything, male & female, to bring forth after it's kind." If it's asexual it only inherits the genes of that one parent only but it is still not left out of the Bible. "Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so." This should include all your 5 precious kingdoms. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck I was going to add those very words, but opted not lol |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder #pridemonth is tremding on Twitter. I was going to warn everyone that there are only 26 letters in the alphabet and they may have to start using 2 letter abbreviations or alpha-numeric codes to cover all the lifestyle differences. I don't want them claiming "H" because I'm Heterosexual and I need that letter to define myself. I guess "M" could be assigned to people who are only sexually attracted to meatloaf. It's all too confusing for me. We got an email at work celebrating diversity. In it, the author spoke against sexual phobias and included interphobia. I had to look that one up. How does someone come to suffer from interphobia in the workplace unless their coworkers are actively showing their genetalia? I'm not sure how far all this pride can go. I'd like to be on the advisory committee. It needs an outside perspective communicating how it all sounds to a heterosexual male.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MR_SigS Oh it's coming! Corporate HR Managers are hitting facilities nationwide laying out the new guidelines. We had our meeting last year, and here is an example which has absolutely nothing to do with sex... We are no longer aloud to COMPLIMENT others at the workplace Wut???  For instance... Joe: "Good morning, Julie! I like the way your hair looks today." Julie: "Thank you, Joe!" --- Julie, in turn can file a complaint with HR claiming Joe's compliment was an insult to the way she wore her hair the previous day - and a write-up will be issued. Joe: "Good morning, Julie! Nice outfit you're wearing today." Julie: "Thank you, Joe!" --- Julie in turn can file a complaint with HR claiming Joe's compliment was an insult against the outfit she wore the previous day - and a write-up will be issued. Joe: "Julie, thank you for such a great job performance today,.. it is greatly appreciated!" Julie: "Thank you, Joe!" --- Julie in turn can file a complaint with HR claiming Joe's compliment was an insult to her job performance the previous day - and a write-up will be issued. This sh!t is serious, folks! It's as serious as it is ridiculous. Oh, and be very wary what you say about religion and sexuality, even if the comment is directed towards someone who doesn't even work for your company. HR will nail your ass! EDIT: I actually was issued a write-up a short time ago because I offended a Muslim coworker. We were having a religious discussion in the break room and he made a comment about Jesus Christ which offended me. So I in turn made a comment about Allah which really puckered up his butthole. He filed a complaint with HR and I was issued a write-up. So I in turn filed a complaint on him and it got rejected because it was considered an act of retaliation. LMAO |
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| @etapi65 Haha are you angry? It will be ok. It will just take time to sink in.... you'll be alright. Take a deep breath.... relax. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC It's a fact! But in today's mathematical comparisons, any answer is valid. Give the kid his scholarship. |
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@GAC evidently you were editing your post while I was quoting. LOL  |
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@Pre_Coder yeah sorry...I figured maybe I should let it rest.  Cheers! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Cheers, Bro! |
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