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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Yes, but do you have the transitional fossils to prove it?  |
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| @KatKomics Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics Also, the lesson is to not become too attached to any scientific “truths”. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Bible was written by men. God is our greatest creation so we invented him so he could make us in his own image thus providing the ego with it's stroke |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuckif it's scientific truth nothing wrong with being attached tonit but realizing it is always subject to change |
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| @Pre_Coder Quote: Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Well put. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Correct, which contradicts Einstein's law that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, hence his left glove right glove analogy. |
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| Alan Watts has an interesting take on it. “As you make more and more powerful microscopic instruments, the universe has to get smaller and smaller in order to escape the investigation. Just as when the telescopes become more and more powerful, the galaxies have to recede in order to get away from the telescopes. Because what is happening in all these investigations is this: Through us and through our eyes and senses, the universe is looking at itself”. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town The fallacy of mankind is fearing or hating what we don't understand. It's human nature! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Or, like, an appendix? Oops. I've been catching up here, but did you just define all of humanity as a transitional form? Doesn't that invalidate your argument? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Ah, see ... I should have caught up first. And don't forget junk DNA! That stuff is cool. Allows for rapid evolution by reverting back to old strands of genes that are kept but not currently used. Very, um, vestigial. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth You have a very strange conception of evolution. What, do you think when something evolves that means it suddenly grows another arm? And it's transitional if it only gets half an arm? |
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| Junk DNA is a myth. Just because scientists aren't sure what segments do, they call it junk. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180411131659.htm |
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| Most of the pseudo nonsense being passed for science here is from such brilliant minds as Hovind or Ken Ham, both men of rather dubious scientific acumen and both axes to grind about evolution. Sometimes you read something that someone keeps repeating and you attempt to ignore it because it is just so......poorly posed, but sometimes it sticks with you and you get the idea to speak to it... Above in the posts there is repeated reference to the idea that science cannot tell you anything more about a fossil than that it died. Earlier I mentioned that is patently false, because footprints are fossils and show the animal was walking, perhaps running . Nests show an animal was nesting....feces demonstrates that animal was taking a pause for a cause, etc. Some years back my mother and brother were traveling through Colorado and stopped at a rock shop to get me a gift....he sent me an image of a large pallet of dinosaur bone for sale in their yard and I keyed on a massive circle...I knew what it was and told them to get it.It was priced 3.00 a pound and my chosen piece was 24 pounds and roughly the size of small car wheel. When I got it home I studied it an then contacted a friend of mine...Dr. Ken Carpenter, one of the foremost paleontologists in the world. He has written multiple books including "eggs Nests and baby dinosaurs" ...if you live near Denver and visited the museum there, he was the man who mounted the Stegosaurus, allosaurus , published on and then mounted the gargoyleosaurus, and finally the Diplodocus. I sent him a few dozen images of the specimen to appraise... Understand it has been stated you can tell nothing from a fossil except the animal died His step by step diagnosis 1) specimen is sunbleached and was a surface or barely buried find. (cool but not so useful) 2) the shale infilling the unbilical cord opening is unique to the Morrison formation placing this dinosaur as being buried somewhere in Colorado most likely. 3) The processes were sawed to make the end flat , but between the two stubs you can see a separation..this is because the two flanges or processes stemming from the vert had not fully fused...establishing it as sub adult. 4) The bone is cup shaped at front and flat on the other placing it uniquely and necessarily within the sacrum. The sacrum is a series of verts between the hips that are fused and serve as a massive rigid support for the neck and tail muscles. Each vert cups around the next, and is rounded at the back to further strengthen this bonding. 5) my bone was flat on back, a definite tell that it was the final bone in the sacral before the tail...in other words, using characteristics of this specimen he could tell it was precisely the last vertebrae before the tail began. 6) given the size and location of the foramen or opening for the umbilical cord, this dinosaur has to be a form of diplodocoid…..either Apatosaurus, barosaurus, or brontosaurus All of that information from a single dinosaur bone.....and the specimen also went from 3.00 a pound novelty specimen to an identified specimen by a professional easily worth 3-4 thousand dollars.      |
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| This specimen is one I bought and had museum prepped and cleaned. Due to its shape and color it can be easily identified as an Allosaurus vertebrae....the almost hourglass shape is a waving flag as well as the coloration. Also notice the peacock like fan in the cell structures very characteristic of allosaurus verts. This piece is the ending section of two verts that are fused tightly together, indicating it comes from a sacral as well. Note the foramen opening where the spinal cord would have run.Final picture is one taken prior to having the specimen prepped and cleaned and all matrix removed. Prep costs anywhere from 25 to 34 dollars an hour and this piece easily needed ten plus hours. Due to the color and species we know this piece is derived from the morrison formation and is Jurassic in origin...between 250 and 130 million years old. A specimen of Allosaurus like this would command a hefty price ...as predator fossils are far rarer than herbviores in the formations....good thing you cannot tell anything from fossils right?       |
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| Oh and here you go.... How yo give a t Rex a pregnancy test Abstract if article https://www.nature.com/articles/srep23099 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur-shocker-115306469/ |
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| Of all the science articles I read, the ones on paleontology are the most inconsistent and show conflicts between one "expert" to the next. There's a LOT of guessing in that branch of science with no way to prove much of it. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by X51show some examples please...as for conflict ever watch clinste scientists or political analysts? Paleontology the actusl science isn't done by guesses...it is researched. Published. Peer reviewed at which point like any discipline of science there are dissenting and connecting views. After s year or so a consensus is reached. , Debate and fidcussion are healthy. They insure the best final result as for.proving things that isn't the gosl for science. They are trying to offer the best answer based in the evidence possible ..anyone that does not understands science avoids using that word prove. It isn't the goal |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC This ..we demand science produce solid proof and when asked religion says...god has no creator, you need to have faith and questioning is blasphemy |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CatCovers No. There is no transitional fossils to back up evolution. Think about it. If EVERY living thing on earth evolved, and evolution takes millions of years, how is it there are no fossils of anything on earth that died during the transitional phases. We ask for transitional fossils, you give a fossil of a bird from China. Doesn't show it was transitioning into anything other than its own kind of species. Where are the fossils of it before, or after? Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid No. The appendix has a use in the human body. I never said it was useless; that's a worthless evolutionist theory. For so many years’ scientists thought that the appendix had no purpose, and this was also the belief that I was raised with. Scientists assumed it was a vestigial organ, (body parts we no longer need) which comes from a belief system that was created through Darwin and the theory of evolution, (which theory has scientifically been disproven now.) They even went as far as to say it may even harm our health, like wisdom teeth. However, as always, the consciousness of science expands and more information comes forth. And so, as with our appendix, there is more to it than we previously thought! The Role of our Appendixes Our appendixes actually do serve a very important function. Our appendix plays the role in the health of our microbiome which both protects and cultivates the good bacteria. We depend on armies of microbes to stay alive; a microbiome that protects us against germs breaks down the food to release energy and also produces vitamins. That is certainly not anywhere close to a vestigial organ. In fact, understanding the microbiome in humans and animals and in our environment is just as important as the human genome! Our appendix acts as a type of safe reservoir where good bacteria can take shelter and thrive. This is important because it ensures that our beneficial good bacteria colonies remain rooted in our digestive system, especially when we have digestive issues. We also have quite a bit of lymphatic tissue in and around our appendix. This could also suggest that our appendix may play a role in the support of our immune health. The Good Bacteria VS Bad Bacteria The bottom line is we need good gut bacteria to maintain good health. When our Microbiomes are weak and unstable the bad bacteria can take hold quite easily. This can cause our immune systems to become overactive which leads to harmful inflammatory conditions such as Celiac disease, Cholera, Gastroenteritis, Gastro-esophageal reflux disease, Dysentery and of course, Appendicitis. 5% of people will have appendix issues in their lifetime and it is also the number one most common general surgical emergency of removing the appendix in the U.S. Our gut bacteria are extremely important for many aspects of health. Many studies have now shown that disrupted microbiota can lead to numerous chronic diseases. Maintaining Healthy Microbiota The best way to maintain a healthy microbiota is to eat Polyphenols, which are plant compounds such as whole foods mainly from plant sources like fruits, veggies, legumes, beans, and whole grains, and stay away from processed sugars, and especially artificial sweeteners as they have negative effects on blood sugar levels. Eating less meat is also a suggestion. While you can live without your appendix, it does provide a valuable service to your body. No matter what’s going on in your digestive tract, our appendix’s house our microbiome, ensuring that populations will stay balanced and abundant; ready for use when needed. Microbiome & the Appendix Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town God used man as his tool to write the books of the Bible yes, so technically it was work by human hands, but the words & meanings were directly from God. I see you still have yet to take on Chuck Misslers work on the Holy Scriptures. Man invented Science not God. Science is on the level where man can try to comprehend the laws of this universe on a human mentality. Yet, men like yourself would rather call themselves gods and think your in control. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town You're going on faith yourself when you say everything happened from nothing. So its either a nothing made everything onto existence or God. Its more believable to think that a creator made everything rather than nothing. But alas, this is where common sense is lacking vs book-smarts.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Evolution is not defined as "gaining"...even in the definition you posted immediately after stating this. YOu read something and immediately interpreted it (purposefully or not) in a way to support your argument despite it not even making an inference towards your interpretation. Also, loss of tusks is natural selection, whereby those females carrying the gene for tusks are preferentially hunted by a predator (oddly enough, completely unrelated to food needs). So those individuals with genes dictating "no tusks" are better at surviving at present. Evolution is much further down the link than adaptation and natural selection. As far as microevolution...what's the definition of short period of time? I think you'll find it to be much slower (from a human lifespan perspective)than you're thinking. But, as I mentioned in a prior post it's about generational turnover and reproductive cycle. If you had bothered to look a little further than simple dictionary definitions you would have noted that biologists consider microevolution and macroevolution to be the exact same process; only differentiated on speed with which they occur. So...again, you're simply wrong. You don't understand these words you're using, much less the more complex aspects of how they're explored through observation. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 Isn't evolution supposed to be about gaining so that one can live better? Example: a murderer that killed many just got apprehended by the police, he looses his arms, they just fell right off (like the elephant tusk) . Now, short term he can't be handcuffed, problem solved. Longterm however, how can he now live without arms in prison? That's not evolution.... Quote: Originally Posted by etapi65 You tell me. Why does science even have that word and definition if they only use it when it fits their theories? |
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| Seems to me that using the fossil record to disprove, or prove, evolution is not ideal. I'm not a paleontologist, but I understand that fossilization is a very rare process. The conditions have to be perfect for a dead thing to become a fossil. So, there have to be vast expanses of land/sea, and time, where dead things simply did not fossilize. Clearly we don't have fossils of every living creature and plant that has existed on this planet. On the contrary, we only have a tiny sampling of what/who has lived here over the eons. It's like grabbing 2-3 jelly belly jelly beans out of a jar that contains all the available flavors, and then trying to prove/disprove the existence of all the other flavors based on the few you've grabbed. Ludicrous. Get off the fossils already. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSothstill spouting misinformation and tortured versions of the facts I see...There are 7,000 transitional fossils spread in every museum in the world. They depict the constant changing nature of life and show a species as it begins, changes, adapts, changes more and ultimately winds up a new species. Over and over...from fish to birds to plants. If it helps your denial trauma think of it like this....EVERY fossil and living being is technically a transitional being or fossil. Mankind is not a finished product and so what you see now is transitional...same with every other species in our world. WE did not ask for anything..you did, you asked for pictures of transitional fossils...you doubled down on your ignorance stating I posted images of birds....they are fossil DINOSAURS.....which makes them a transitional species between avian dinosaurs and aves.That is the science that millions understand and the evidence meets. You are correct actually in that its was transitioning into its own kind of species however...moving from being a dinosaur to being a feathered beaked dinosaur to being a bird. The fossils before it are DINOSAURS and the ones after it are BIRDS....get it? so lets get this right...god could write his ten commandments down on tablets of stone but needed man to write his book on paper....oh wow that really makes a ton of sense.... As your comments about Missler, I have been trying to be kind but since that button on your remote is broken...simple google reveals that first this man was caught in a lawsuit trading insider information and forced out of the defense industry....following which he attempted a get rich scam selling computers to the Russians...when that collapsed he cast his eyes on the quickest get rich scheme he could..bible prophecy. So he set about writing books and doing podcasts...he was immediately sued twice succesffully for plagarizing other peoples work without giving credit...perhaps the lowest form of slime in the world of authorship one can commit. He was responsible for attempoting to argue the face on mars was a carving and indicated aliens would be central to mankinds revelation day appocalyse ….that aliens are demons from another dimension, that he was alone finding hidden encoded messages within holy texts and dozens of other pseudo science idiotic idealisms....here are several places I found that have thoroughly debunked his garbage and nailed him down for the scammer he was... https://www.bibleandscience.com/otherviews/missler.htm https://www.facebook.com/FormerNewAger/posts/10155873807107237 http://www.ontrailer.com/YWLSVr20_fc that is who Missler is and who you are sitting here promoting to everyone as some kind of half assed messiah....a psychotic lunatic fringe idiot who steals other peoples work...so no thanks , and stop wasting everyones time with that garbage. I never said nothing happened from nothing, that is your own idiotic summary of how the big bang worked...not mine. Stop casting it on me....as far as it being more believable god made it all, sorry but no, that is a direct violation of the concept called Occams razor....shown here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor essentially you have conjured up an invisible space being to cross a dimension you also conjured up, making this conjured being capable of dimesion crossing, and then also capable of creating universes...but you also then created a tacit argument why the being would cross from its own dimension to ours, why it would create in our dimension rather than its own, etc....your explanation lands at over 75 extraneous steps to explain the events that began our planet....epic and massive fail in logic Your argument fundanetally and logically and factually fails at every level and is demonstrated as such.This is where your pod cast believing silliness fails to meet the burden of logic....thanks |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth It is about adaptation that leads to genetic change allowing you to survive better in your habitat. It's not about "gaining" or "losing" something; it's about being better suited to your habitat. For instance, if you're a bird that feeds on tree bark and you slowly evolve to be more suited to feeding on insects, your beak will shrink. What about a bird that used to fly, but is now aquatic (or semi-aquatic), the bone structure will alter; that could be caused by loss of a bone or series of bones. You don't know what you're talking about. Your description using a person whose arm falls off is nonsensical. Losing an arm would not make you better adapted to your environment. However, if you look at this in nature, organisms with this ability can grow back the lost limb. That's the evolution part, regeneration. Typically, short evolution is still based on generations and it observed on the level of 1000 generations. For microbes, the time component of this may be in days. For multi-cellular organisms it could be as short as years (though usually more decadal scale). Experiements on mutli-cellular organisms have shown speciation in the decades. For K-selected species it's 10s of thousands of years. Again, I think you're conflating the definition of evolution, adaptation, natural selection and speciation. These terms are not interchangeable. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MarximusEverything you said was perfectly stated and yet in spite of it all we do have fossil evidence for changes in species...beginning species, more derived and more derived and end result species in many forms. It is miraculous how much proof has been preserved given the exact argument you just made...but you are also correct, we do not require fossils to prove evolution...every animal living around us does that adequately . Cats, fish, dogs, everything.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 Yes, and? I have agreed with that my entire life. It's the Evolution definition I do not agree with. Never has humankind witnessed an evolutionary change; one animal species into another. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Do show us this evidence. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Praise the Lord! Peace be with you and may you find your way. I love you, remember that. |
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