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Iron man. Robert Downey Jrs. contract is up. His fate does not have to be the same as Tony Stark's fate. Why is the personal choices of Downey Jr. linked to Tony Stark's fate in the movie?


I can't imagine anyone other than Robert Downey Jr. playing Iron Man. It would lose the connection we have to the person over all these years. It's linked because its supposed to be poetic, he started it and he ended it, HE was the suit of armor around the world.

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I didn't like fat Thor. Yeah, it was funny for a few scenes. I go to superhero movies to see super-powered individuals do super-poewered things. Thor in this movie was a joke. I'm sure it alienated all females over the age of 12 who wanted to drool over his body. Maybe it expanded his acting ability. Maybe it was funny for awhile. I disagree with the choice to disregard what a female audience went to the movie to see.


I liked fat Thor because it felt genuine to the Thor that Taika Waititi had rebuilt in Ragnarok, the serious versions of Thor were losers, not a lot of people liked Thor #1 & #2. But the Aussie/Kiwi comedy mix-up was just the right amount of different.

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Yet Tony quickly whips up two of them, easy as building his suit. Did they completely forget the backstory from the previous movies? Someone plz tell me how this makes any sense.


It makes sense, because it took him 3 movies (IM 1-3) to create a new element, that is essentially an artificial infinity stone(in terms of its power) - this acts as a regulator for all of his creations and nano-tech. It wasn't perfect though, as uhhh...you know...SPOILER he isn't around anymore.

All he had to do was make two regular Iron Man style gloves, as the secret is in the sauce, AKA what powers the suit, not the high-tech suit material. That's why in both instances the glove melted, same as Thanos's Gauntlet.

Thanos's Gauntlet was equal in power to Tony's created element, both comparable to an individual infinity stone. I believe the magic of Thanos's Gauntlet comes from the star's energy not the material.
That's why Hela just crunched Mjolnir, it's like a decent material but its the lightning, flying, and worthiness that makes it special/powerful(like Tony's element as a part of his suits).

Obviously, these are just my assumptions based on what I've seen from all the movies so far.
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There's something still bugging me after watching Endgame? When Gandalf tells the Fellowship to fly during his battle with the Balrog, did he mean to use the eagles or just be quick about it in regards to getting to Mordor?
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@Studley_Dudley He actually wanted them to steal a Klingon Bird of Prey and fly to Krypton where they could find a droid that would tell them how to save Princess Peach.
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There's something still bugging me after watching Endgame? When Gandalf tells the Fellowship to fly during his battle with the Balrog, did he mean to use the eagles or just be quick about it in regards to getting to Mordor?
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@Studley_Dudley He actually wanted them to steal a Klingon Bird of Prey and fly to Krypton where they could find a droid that would tell them how to save Princess Peach.


@Studley_Dudley @Jesse_O Clearly when the Avengers went back in time, they broke something...
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I have updated my profile photo from OLD Thor to NEW Thor.
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For those wishing Brie Larson a quick exit remember she signed an unprecedented 7 picture deal....
https://screenrant.com/brie-larson-marvel-studios-contract-length/
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I can't imagine anyone other than Robert Downey Jr. playing Iron Man. It would lose the connection we have to the person over all these years. It's linked because its supposed to be poetic, he started it and he ended it, HE was the suit of armor around the world.



Exact same thing can be said about Chris Evans and the REAL Captain America.

If anyone else was to take up the Shield, it should have been Steve's best friend Bucky.


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Exact same thing can be said about Chris Evans and the REAL Captain America.

If anyone else was to take up the Shield, it should have been Steve's best friend Bucky.


They did stay true to the comics. Old man Rogers appoints Sam as the new Cap.

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Link, but summary is below.
"In the aftermath of Civil War, Captain America is taken into S.H.I.E.L.D. custody where he is assassinated per the order of the Red Skull. Crossbones snipes at him while Sharon Carter (Agent 13; Cap's girlfriend), who has been brainwashed by Doctor Faustus, posing as a S.H.I.E.L.D. psychiatrist, delivers the killing shot. Overwhelmed with guilt, S.H.I.E.L.D. director Tony Stark and Black Widow hunt Captain America's murderers. Falcon, Captain America's old partner, follows his own leads to find the killers. Meanwhile, Bucky Barnes decides to kill Tony Stark, blaming him for Captain America's death.

After receiving a letter written by Steve Rogers telling him that the Captain America legacy should continue, and look out for Bucky, Stark shows Bucky Barnes the letter and proposes to make him the new Captain America. Bucky agrees on the condition that he can be an independent agent who doesn't answer to Stark, S.H.I.E.L.D., or the Initiative."

*** Being that in the movies (all the characters stories differ from the comics) they still shouldn't have bypassed Bucky. They could have handed the shield down to Falcon after Buckys run as Captain America.
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@Studley_Dudley You are correct. Steve does give the shield to Sam, but Bucky was Captain America first.

Falcon becomes Captain America in Captain America #25 like you shown above.
Came out 2014:



Bucky became Captain America in Captain America #35. (Different Volumes)
Came out in: 2008

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There are 20+ superheroes in this movie...there is no way each one can get equal screen time. A larger percentage of the characters will be underused unless they make a 6 hour film.



They picked the wrong ones or used the good ones poorly by weakening their powers or their resolve.

My theory on why Hulk wasn't used in the last movie is that the CGI team that normally would work on Hulk spent all their man hours on Thanos instead. All previous Marvel "team" movies gave fair screen time to all of the characters. If they hadn't wasted time in the 1st two acts with all the sad drama, they could have spaced out the action and spotlighted more characters. Think how much money they saved on CGI by filming Scott Lang yell out to the boy on the bicycle (who doesn't answer) then wanders around looking for names of people who died. Sure it evokes emotion, but at the expense of me seeing Dr. Strange more.


The main focus of the movie was supposed to be centered around the original cast. They are the ones who started it and the ones who ended it. The other characters got their time in Infinity War. I do agree with you about Hulk. He was completely mishandled in both films. He never rematched Thanos or went Hulk smash at all.


I can imagine the off screen discussions between the characters.

Captain America: "The fate of the entire universe is at stake. We'll all be on the battlefield, but remember that we're filming an Avengers movie. No grandstanding by the non-Avengers who are more powerful than us. It's not about you. It's about us."

Wong: "Okay. I'll let Hawkeye get the screen time. I'll try not to do anything spectacular to save the universe."

Dr. Strange: "Thanos will need to fill up the battlefield with thousands of mindless creatures again with no discernible reason for them to fight or be loyal to him. That way we can hide better and look useless."

We got a movie with lazy & bad plotting. If Captain Marvel can solve the problem single-handed, don't show me all these other useless characters pouting over their loved ones. It has nothing to do with the ultimate challenge facing the characters.
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For those wishing Brie Larson a quick exit remember she signed an unprecedented 7 picture deal....
https://screenrant.com/brie-larson-marvel-studios-contract-length/


Yeah. I can only think back to the baggage car handlers in Trading Places.
"Sometimes your turns are long. Sometimes your turns are short."

She's done 2 movies already.
I'm hoping the give her 5 very short cameos going forward.
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Iron man. Robert Downey Jrs. contract is up. His fate does not have to be the same as Tony Stark's fate. Why is the personal choices of Downey Jr. linked to Tony Stark's fate in the movie?


I can't imagine anyone other than Robert Downey Jr. playing Iron Man. It would lose the connection we have to the person over all these years. It's linked because its supposed to be poetic, he started it and he ended it, HE was the suit of armor around the world.


I can imagine anyone else playing Tony Stark because Tony Stark was never a sarcastic wise-crack in the comics. The character he created in the cinematic universe is interesting to watch, but it's not Tony Stark.

It's also not poetic. It's disrespectful to the source material.
The Marvel Universe was great because the characters were greater than the creators that brought them to the page. The same is true on screen. To be honest, if an actor doesn't want to continue playing a character that made them rich.... move on. In Iron Man's case, there are plenty of stories to tell without Downey Jr.
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I am ready for Hologram Iron Man. Who's with me?
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For those wishing Brie Larson a quick exit remember she signed an unprecedented 7 picture deal....
https://screenrant.com/brie-larson-marvel-studios-contract-length/


This statement is completely accurate except for 1) the update in the middle of the article from Brie saying it's false and 2) both Sam Jackson and Sebastian Stan signed longer contracts. Otherwise, top-notch reporting.
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I didn't like fat Thor. Yeah, it was funny for a few scenes. I go to superhero movies to see super-powered individuals do super-poewered things. Thor in this movie was a joke. I'm sure it alienated all females over the age of 12 who wanted to drool over his body. Maybe it expanded his acting ability. Maybe it was funny for awhile. I disagree with the choice to disregard what a female audience went to the movie to see.


I liked fat Thor because it felt genuine to the Thor that Taika Waititi had rebuilt in Ragnarok, the serious versions of Thor were losers, not a lot of people liked Thor #1 & #2. But the Aussie/Kiwi comedy mix-up was just the right amount of different.



Why do you consider them losers? Ticket sales? The general public was far less familiar with Thor as a character in comics. I consider the 1st Thor movie to be one of the better Marvel movies and I'm not really a huge Thor fan. It's an amazing visual tribute to Jack Kirby. The last Thor Ragnarok movie was horrible. It's one of the worst. Yes, I've heard people say "but it was funny." It's a lot harder to build a universe and care about the characters if funny is your only goal.
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I consider the 1st Thor movie to be one of the better Marvel movies and I'm not really a huge Thor fan. It's an amazing visual tribute to Jack Kirby. The last Thor Ragnarok movie was horrible. It's one of the worst. Yes, I've heard people say "but it was funny." It's a lot harder to build a universe and care about the characters if funny is your only goal.


Thor's character - both the seriousness and the humor - was pitch-perfect in Infinity War. In Endgame, not so much. Fat Thor just didn't do it for me. It was like a lessor writer trying to hit the same notes.

I think in Endgame, the writers cared much less for continuity, in either plot or character, to the detriment of the movie.
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So for sure dig out Hulk 377 and Thor 390 and sell Iron Man 55?
Then look through the newer boxes of books for a bunch of stuff I haven’t followed before someone gets them for $1
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@X51 In my opinion, comparing the movies to the books is a mistake. In general, comic books are controversial and full of creator's biases often reflecting their own societies at the time of creation...ie propaganda, homophobia, sexism, etc. The real world stresses of battling Fascism and Communism, etc - aren't fun no matter how beautiful the art is.

Young people are more progressive now, and seeking diversity - which is apart of Disney's Mission Statement in order to "differentiate" to generate as much profit as possible.

That's why Sam gets the shield, that's why there is an all-female cameo, etc.

I get it, you are a traditionalist @X51 and we embrace you, but just know that generally speaking woman are tired of giant boobs and mostly white characters that comic themes originally incorporated.

Thor 1...other than Heimdall/Hogun/Fury briefly, pretty much everyone was white.
Culturally the movie was very American, and the woman portrayed were helpless damsels. Other than Sif, but she became second fiddle pretty quick.

Without CGC & Disney comic values would be far less, as would the popularity in their exchange.

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The last Thor Ragnarok movie was horrible. It's one of the worst. Yes, I've heard people say "but it was funny." It's a lot harder to build a universe and care about the characters if funny is your only goal.


The woman weren't overly sexualized. New Zealand was the first country to grant woman's suffrage in 1893. Cate, Tessa, and Rachel did a great job granting strength to woman. It was funny, but I thought the movie was the best of the three because it appealed to the most people and the story wasn't created just for a white man in America.

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It's also not poetic. It's disrespectful to the source material.


You are correct, many of the characters differ from the books - but people aren't spending billions on tickets for original comics. They want them modernized, hyped, and epic which they have been. Iron Man's character in the MCU was in fact poetic to itself from Iron Man 1 to Endgame. It was designed to be poetic, literally, un-tied to the original stories. Stan lost the rights to his characters, one of his regrets, but he was overall happy with the result and concurrent popularity of the movies being produced - it was not a disrespect by any stretch, but the stories are absolutely different.

It's like an alternate reality, comparing the movies to the books for "quality of the content" is apple to oranges.
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$1.2 billion ww
$350 million domestic
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$1.2 billion ww
$350 million domestic


@GAC
Nice!
Wow, even larger than you predicted.
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@comic_book_man yeah...this movie is nuts! Clearly ALOT of people liked it!


The the records Avengers: Endgame broke this weekend at the domestic box office include:

Largest Thursday Previews: $60 million
Previous Record: $57 million (Star Wars: The Force Awakens)

Widest Opening: 4,662 theaters
Previous Record: 4,529 theaters (Despicable Me 3)

Largest Friday, Opening Day and Single Day: $156.7 million
Previous Record: $119.1 million (Star Wars: The Force Awakens)

Largest Saturday: $109 million
Previous Record: $82.1 million (Avengers: Infinity War)

Largest Sunday: $84.3 million
Previous Record: $69.2 million (Avengers: Infinity War)

Domestic Opening Weekend: $350 million
Previous Record: $257.69 million (Avengers: Infinity War)

#1 Movie Market Share: 90%
Previous Record: 84.5% (Avengers: Age of Ultron)

Highest Per Theater Average (Wide Opening): $75,075 / 4,662 theaters
Previous Record: $59,982 / 4,134 theaters ()

Largest April Opening, Spring Opening, PG-13 Openingand 3-Day Gross: $350 million
Previous Record: $257.69 million (Avengers: Infinity War)

Biggest Weekend Overall (Top 12 Gross): $389 million
Previous Record: $305.55 million (Dec. 18–20, 2015)

Fastest to $100 Million: 1 Day
Previous Record: 1 Day (Star Wars: The Force Awakens)

Fastest to $150 Million: 1 Day
Previous Record: 2 Days (Avengers: Infinity War)

Fastest to $200 Million: 2 Days
Previous Record: 3 Days (Avengers: Infinity War)

Fastest to $250 Million: 3 Days
Previous Record: 3 Days (Avengers: Infinity War)

Fastest to $300 Million: 3 Days
Previous Record: 5 Days (Star Wars: The Force Awakens)

Fastest to $350 Million: 3 Days
Previous Record: 6 Days (Star Wars: The Force Awakens)

International Opening Weekend: $859 million
Previous Record: $443.15 million (The Fate of the Furious)

Worldwide Opening Weekend: $1.2 billion
Previous Record: $640.5 million (Avengers: Infinity War)

Global 3D Opening Record: ~$540 million
Previous Record: ~$366 million (Avengers: Infinity War)

Global IMAX Opening Record: $91.5 million
Previous Record: $47.6 million (Star War: The Force Awakens)
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You can't judge the popularity of a movie by it's ticket sales. You can only look down the line to see if it builds confidence in the product or it dissuades confidence in the future product.

The fact is, the characters brought to film are based on over 50 years customer awareness. The familiarity that the consumer has with the characters is why the characters are popular. If you switch out the characters with modified clones, you are gambling that your version will be better or worse than what filled the seats in the first place.

Right now, confidence in the pre-existing material is what is filling the seats. Avenger:Endgame was going to break records even if there was a 40 minute panoramic view of swiss cheese. Nobody walked in knowing what the movie would be about except the people who made it.


I am less likely to see future Marvel movies after seeing Thor Ragnarok, Captain Marvel, and this movie.
One person isn't going to make or break their future success, but statistically speaking, every dissatisfied review is indicative of a greater number in the populace feeling the same way.

While it might be embraced that I shelled out $13 for an early showing, I don't want to be embraced. I want to walk out feeling thrilled and excited that the movie was more than I thought it could be. It ended up being less. Much less. I was moderately entertained, but I am more likely to skip future Marvel movies.

Marvel is still making better movies than DC, but both are losing my confidence.

The negative reviews I see about Captain Marvel reflected exactly how I felt. Everything I was going to say had already been said.

Of course Stan was pleased. He spent a good portion of his life trying to get his characters to the screen. The recent success of Marvel's cinematic universe is all that effort being brought to fruition.
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The ONLY true way to judge popularity is by sales and it's the only one that matters.
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The ONLY true way to judge popularity is by sales and it's the only one that matters.


Sales are an indication of confidence, not popularity of the actual movie on the screen.
I disagree 100%.
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The ONLY true way to judge popularity is by sales and it's the only one that matters.


Sales are an indication of confidence, not popularity of the actual movie on the screen.
I disagree 100%.[/qubote]this is easily disproven If you like a movie you may go back and see it again or if not you won't that I s a direct link between sales and how much people like a movie...consider people that went to see the original star wars multiple times
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Marvel has made 22 films over 11 years with each movie making more and more. Critics are singing its high praise, record after record is being shattered...both times I've seen it the audiences are cheering out loud throughout the film and giving it a standing ovation at the end and you sincerely question its popularity?

maybe you didnt like it but I can bet every posession I own that you are absolutely in the minority in that feeling...and a really really low (less than 5%) minority I'd bet.
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If you switch out the characters with modified clones, you are gambling that your version will be better or worse than what filled the seats in the first place.


Same goes for the actors, a sudden switch of Robert Downy Jr. would cause this same issue.

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One person isn't going to make or break their future success, but statistically speaking, every dissatisfied review is indicative of a greater number in the populace feeling the same way.


I am more likely to see the new movies based on those two, interestingly. So I guess I am kinda the opposite, my reviews increased. I like strong female characters, and I'm a huge fan of Taika Waititi.
He and the two directors of Captain Marvel were dedicated to strong female characters without over sexualizing them.

Honestly the character Topaz in Thor: Ragnarok was a HUGE win, Hollywood always seems to depict stout women as either comedic relief or lesbians. She had some dry humor, but its different than the intentional slap-sticky type of stuff we see with people like Amy Schumer, Melissa McCarthy, etc.

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While it might be embraced that I shelled out $13 for an early showing, I don't want to be embraced. I want to walk out feeling thrilled and excited that the movie was more than I thought it could be. It ended up being less. Much less. I was moderately entertained, but I am more likely to skip future Marvel movies.


Even though we don't have an exact agreement on this for the Marvel movies...
I feel this same way about the new Star Wars movies. As someone who LOATHED the Fly episode in Breaking Bad, Rian Johnson was clearly not a good choice for Star Wars. How the F did this terrible director become the totalitarian of Star Wars future?!
Lawrence Kasdan is the screenwriter behind any decent Star Wars film, him missing in The Last Jedi was another fail.

So don't take me the wrong way in our disagreements on Marvel movies, because I'm you when it comes to Star Wars. haha!

I liked the Original Trilogy #1 and #2 Solo and #3 Force Awakens(in that order).
Everything else to me wasn't worth re-watching.
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Even though we don't have an exact agreement on this for the Marvel movies...
I feel this same way about the new Star Wars movies. As someone who LOATHED the Fly episode in Breaking Bad, Rian Johnson was clearly not a good choice for Star Wars. How the F did this terrible director become the totalitarian of Star Wars future?!
Lawrence Kasdan is the screenwriter behind any decent Star Wars film, him missing in The Last Jedi was another fail.

So don't take me the wrong way in our disagreements on Marvel movies, because I'm you when it comes to Star Wars. haha!

I liked the Original Trilogy #1 and #2 Solo and #3 Force Awakens(in that order).
Everything else to me wasn't worth re-watching.



I'm definitely not seeing any new Star Wars movies. That bridge is burnt in two.
I think Marvel has made some great movies. I watched the first Iron Man movie again on cable and was surprised how entertaining it was. Downey Jr. is not Tony Stark, but he found a balance that worked and entertained the masses. I like all of Antman's appearances.

I have no problem with strong female characters. The female Captain Marvel replaced a male Captain Marvel that was better. I have a problem with that. My problem with the Captain Marvel movie is that it was boring.

My problem with Endgame is that it got boring up until the third act and then it only delivered a third of the fun it could have delivered.

I didn't like anything about Thor Ragnarok and Hulk was always my favorite Marvel character. I wished I had not wasted my time seeing it.

I wasn't terribly excited about GotG2, but it was acceptable.

Black Panther was great. There were a lot of strong female characters in that.

Eternal could be interesting.

As it stands right now, I don't want to see a Black Widow movie. I'm tired of the character.
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