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@matterus023 you're are correct, CBCS will put "Married" on the label rather than "Restored." Sorry for any confusion, what I should have said is they will note the resto by putting married on the label.
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@matterus023 you're are correct, CBCS will put "Married" on the label rather than "Restored." Sorry for any confusion, what I should have said is they will note the resto by putting married on the label.


But it isn't resto. According to some
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Actually I am not sure what CBCS does with say single pages just placed in. Does anyone know. I know CGC used to just downgrade say 1.0 point and give blue at times or green depending on the day or customer.

But what does CBCS do if a single placed in?????

You placed in, but still detached? That's a good question.
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@matterus023 well I guess that's why CBCS just puts "married" on the label.
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Hey Everyone!

I recently found myself in a situation where I purchased a copy of Superman #12 from 1941. The book ended up missing the last page which I somehow overlooked before I purchased the book and sent it to CGC. (I know I should have counted the pages ) Anyway the book came back from CGC as a 4.0 Qualified Grade with a note that the last page is missing and that it does not effect the story. Well now I am trying to weigh my options. If I am able to find myself a coverless or incomplete copy of Superman #12 with the last page/wrap intact should I marry this page/wrap to my graded copy? This would then make the book restored I would assume? Should I just tape the page into the book because tape is not considered restoration? Should I just put the page in the book and leave it not attached? I'm not sure how this would effect the grade if I had the book regraded. Anyways it would be great to get some advice!

Thanks!

Aaron


This is as far as I know it

1. If you marry professionally a page from somewhere else it isn't resto no. Well as the comic doesn't have anything else going on with it


I'm with Mr Sigs, I can't understand why married pages aren't restoration. You're taking a page from one book and putting in into another book that was incomplete. That's restored to me.

The only other thing I can think of is that it's just semantics. IIRC, CBCS doesn't label trimming as restoration because it's actually the opposite, it's destruction.
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I would imagine some people would argue anything that requires opening of the staples to be resto. But I'm not that familiar with the topic, so I can't say either way.
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@Swampy I agree, in my mind it's considered restoration.
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I do like how CBCS approaches this stuff, just put a notation on the blue label of what's been done to it, grade it, and call it a day.
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@DarthLego I mean with wraps you have to undo the staples then add the donor wrap back in. So married.

But if just a single page (or centerfold floating) put back in then do CBCS give it a married. Well suppose they can't as not married. Do they put conserved well again no as not the right terminology. It isn't restored and they don't do qualified labels. Do CBCS just downgrade and put it in the notes but not on the label?

CGC used to just normally downgrade by a couple of points. I think
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I would imagine some people would argue anything that requires opening of the staples to be resto. But I'm not that familiar with the topic, so I can't say either way.


That was confirmed by Steve Borock a long time ago on the CGC board. For CGC books it was ok to disassemble and reassemble a book as long as you do it right. Just like pressing, you can still get a blue label.
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I would imagine some people would argue anything that requires opening of the staples to be resto. But I'm not that familiar with the topic, so I can't say either way.


That was confirmed by Steve Borock a long time ago on the CGC board. For CGC books it was ok to disassemble and reassemble a book as long as you do it right. Just like pressing, you can still get a blue label.


Yeah like you say those that press comics professionally take the staples out and get the blue label. I was going to get into pressing but taking the staples worries me. Many comics to practice on first.

The biggest problem I had with say CGC is if a comic was trimmed and trimmed only. Then a pro restorer could add the pieces along the edge so it would become say slight resto pieces added (but now not trimmed). But unless you asked for the notes when buying you wouldn't of known that the pieces added if taken off would make the comic trimmed again lol

Was/is really dodgy

Oh and on a side note CGC always made out like PGX was/is the devil. Many of their slight resto's have many dots of colour touch sometimes as many as 50+ and decent chunks added on. So many trying to buy to take off be really careful. You have to think the good candidates when passing though CGC will be passed onto CCS if the customer is happy to do so. Others are just put through the system either as gift grades or they really are blind at times. Only things that make sense to me
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I would imagine some people would argue anything that requires opening of the staples to be resto. But I'm not that familiar with the topic, so I can't say either way.


That was confirmed by Steve Borock a long time ago on the CGC board. For CGC books it was ok to disassemble and reassemble a book as long as you do it right. Just like pressing, you can still get a blue label.


Yeah like you say those that press comics professionally take the staples out and get the blue label. I was going to get into pressing but taking the staples worries me. Many comics to practice on first.


Theres always spot pressing where you don't disassemble the book.

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The biggest problem I had with say CGC is if a comic was trimmed and trimmed only. Then a pro restorer could add the pieces along the edge so it would become say slight resto pieces added (ut now not trimmed). But unless you asked for the notes when buying you wouldn't of known that the pieces added if taken off would make the comic trimmed again lol

Was/is really dodgy


I have never heard of any of this ever happening in the history of comics You know of this happening first-hand?
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I imagine that anything loose would get a notation of "detached" on the label.

@matterus023 I have never heard of such a thing as "untrimming" a book. I don't think such a thing would be feasible, and where would the doner pieces come from?
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I would imagine some people would argue anything that requires opening of the staples to be resto. But I'm not that familiar with the topic, so I can't say either way.


That was confirmed by Steve Borock a long time ago on the CGC board. For CGC books it was ok to disassemble and reassemble a book as long as you do it right. Just like pressing, you can still get a blue label.


Yeah like you say those that press comics professionally take the staples out and get the blue label. I was going to get into pressing but taking the staples worries me. Many comics to practice on first.


Theres always spot pressing where you don't disassemble the book.

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The biggest problem I had with say CGC is if a comic was trimmed and trimmed only. Then a pro restorer could add the pieces along the edge so it would become say slight resto pieces added (ut now not trimmed). But unless you asked for the notes when buying you wouldn't of known that the pieces added if taken off would make the comic trimmed again lol

Was/is really dodgy


I have never heard of any of this every happening in the history of comics You know of this happening first-hand?


The best pressing jobs can only be done by taking the whole thing apart. I can do you one better and show you one example done by a top restorer.

http://www.eclipsepaper.com/showcase%2022.html

This is different as the customer had enough work done to take to extensive. But hey presto not trimmed anymore. Happens a lot trust me.
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I imagine that anything loose would get a notation of "detached" on the label.

@matterus023 I have never heard of such a thing as "untrimming" a book. I don't think such a thing would be feasible, and where would the doner pieces come from?


http://www.eclipsepaper.com/showcase%2022.html

Happens loads of times. Just leaf casting and good art work
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@matterus023 I'll be damned. I bet that was expensive work.
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One thing I don't know is if CBCS puts on notes that the pieces added were to a previously trimmed comic say.

Could find out though
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I imagine that anything loose would get a notation of "detached" on the label.

@matterus023 I have never heard of such a thing as "untrimming" a book. I don't think such a thing would be feasible, and where would the doner pieces come from?


http://www.eclipsepaper.com/showcase%2022.html

Happens loads of times. Just leaf casting and good art work


Oh, you're talking about leaf casting, that different. Ze Man would be the one to talk to about this. I agree with Darth Lego, regular?at trimming is way too tiny to be restored. Once a book is trimmed, it's trimmed.
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@matterus023 I'll be damned. I bet that was expensive work.


Restoration can run into the thousands. No idea on that project but I have had ones done myself before
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I imagine that anything loose would get a notation of "detached" on the label.

@matterus023 I have never heard of such a thing as "untrimming" a book. I don't think such a thing would be feasible, and where would the doner pieces come from?


http://www.eclipsepaper.com/showcase%2022.html

Happens loads of times. Just leaf casting and good art work


Oh, you're talking about leaf casting, that different. Ze Man would be the one to talk to about this. I agree with Darth Lego, regular?at trimming is way too tiny to be restored. Once a book is trimmed, it's trimmed.


It isn't different in the context of what we are talking about. That comic displayed trimmed and now not trimmed. That is my point. It can be a surprise for those who take the pieces off once buy the comic
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@matterus023 the leaf casting was noted on the new label where it says "pieces added" so it's not a surprise.
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@matterus023 the leaf casting was noted on the new label where it says "pieces added" so it's not a surprise.


Exactly. Plus it went from Slight P to Extensive P. The trimming might have been "fixed" but CGC didn't miss it.
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@matterus023 the leaf casting was noted on the new label where it says "pieces added" so it's not a surprise.


What I am saying is a comic can be say a 6.5 timmed. Nothing else. Now a restorer puts the thin edge back on. It now comes back 6.5 restored pieces added.

Now a buyer could buy it thinking I will take the resto of and sell it as a blue label. But by doing that it is now back to trimmed. Kills value
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I imagine that anything loose would get a notation of "detached" on the label.

@matterus023 I have never heard of such a thing as "untrimming" a book. I don't think such a thing would be feasible, and where would the doner pieces come from?


http://www.eclipsepaper.com/showcase%2022.html

Happens loads of times. Just leaf casting and good art work


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I imagine that anything loose would get a notation of "detached" on the label.

@matterus023 I have never heard of such a thing as "untrimming" a book. I don't think such a thing would be feasible, and where would the doner pieces come from?


http://www.eclipsepaper.com/showcase%2022.html

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@matterus023 the leaf casting was noted on the new label where it says "pieces added" so it's not a surprise.


Exactly. Plus it went from Slight P to Extensive P. The trimming might have been "fixed" but CGC didn't miss it.


Trust me guys this is not the case. They didn't miss it the second time round. This is common practice by many restorers.
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Plus some extensive restored comics with trim are bought and the pieces added back on so still extensive but no longer trim.
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@matterus023 the leaf casting was noted on the new label where it says "pieces added" so it's not a surprise.


What I am saying is a comic can be say a 6.5 timmed. Nothing else. Now a restorer puts the thin edge back on. It now comes back 6.5 restored pieces added.

Now a buyer could buy it thinking I will take the resto of and sell it as a blue label. But by doing that it is now back to trimmed. Kills value


Anyone who knows anything about leaf casting would not think k that.
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@matterus023 I don't know why anyone would attempt to unrestore a leaf casting restoration. Restoration that extensive is usually only done when the end result adds thousands of dollars to the value.
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@matterus023 the leaf casting was noted on the new label where it says "pieces added" so it's not a surprise.


What I am saying is a comic can be say a 6.5 timmed. Nothing else. Now a restorer puts the thin edge back on. It now comes back 6.5 restored pieces added.

Now a buyer could buy it thinking I will take the resto of and sell it as a blue label. But by doing that it is now back to trimmed. Kills value


Anyone who knows anything about leaf casting would not think k that.


No think what? I am not following. I am stating facts here. I don't go about making things up like this for fun
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Plus some extensive restored comics with trim are bought and the pieces added back on so still extensive but no longer trim.


You've got some crazy conspiracy theories
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Plus some extensive restored comics with trim are bought and the pieces added back on so still extensive but no longer trim.


You've got some crazy conspiracy theories


Ok lol
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