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@OGJackster I haven't seen any indication that CW has done more than trying to be inclusive in casting and storytelling. If anyone who regularly watches the series can demonstrate that I'm wrong on this, please correct my impressions. I sincerely hope you find something a bit less provocative to watch. There are lots of wholesome shows made in the 50's and 60's available on a variety of retro-TV channels and Shout Factory DVD sets that won't impinge upon your prurient concerns.

The one line crossed that troubles me in this thread is the posting of overtly political comments, but as a tolerant person with no desire to offend anyone's political sensitivities, my approach is to avoid responding in kind even when I consider those views to be way off base. That's not who I am as a board contributor.
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I learned I want a Boy #9. Well worth the read
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It blows my mind that there is still so much anger and fear of gays and transgender.you really can easily avoid these things. As someone who is in the comic book world i can assure you most of the audience has no problem with gay or transgender characters and if they do they don't go on rants to the creators they simply don't spend their money on the products.
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You crack me up! My apologies to my democratic friend if I offended.

@NoahSult I don't think these should be considered "rants" but rather an open discussion on the direction that programming on TV has gone. Another issue that is interesting to me is the use of the word "f*ck". This, a few years ago was highly taboo and also an offense that was subject to be fined by the FCC. Not any more.
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In what scenario would Nambla be next?
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In what scenario would Nambla be next?
The point being if everything is becoming tolerable, will this become acceptable? I'm just using that as an extreme example. Personally, I would hope castration would be more of an option rather than what they do to be acceptable in today's society.
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In what scenario would Nambla be next?

He used that as an example of acceptance as in when is enough, enough? Where is the line we finally draw, when networks have none? When this kind of filth works it's way into households where it's masked under comic books, etc which slowly breaks down morals and becomes more & more acceptable as it progresses.
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You crack me up! My apologies to my democratic friend if I offended.


No offense taken. Given the attention to this thread it may be time for Joel and Ethan Coen to start working on a script for a sequel to their earlier hit film, titled "No Country For Old Superheroes".

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@NoahSult I don't think these should be considered "rants" but rather an open discussion on the direction that programming on TV has gone. Another issue that is interesting to me is the use of the word "f*ck". This, a few years ago was highly taboo and also an offense that was subject to be fined by the FCC. Not any more.


@OGJackster I'll chime in on the subject of programming.

The issue of coarse language is a reasonable concern, to a point. The conundrum for over the air network television is that in order to compete with the plethora of pay channels where mature content and language can't be restricted under FCC rules, broadcast networks must find ways to expand the boundaries just to keep a sustainable market share and advertisers. In a free market, which I assume you favor, evolution of content is necessary for traditional broadcast networks to remain viable.

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In what scenario would Nambla be next?

He used that as an example of acceptance as in when is enough, enough? Where is the line we finally draw, when networks have none? When this kind of filth works it's way into households where it's masked under comic books, etc which slowly breaks down morals and becomes more & more acceptable as it progresses.


Alas, that poorly chosen example bears no relationship to the actual topic under discussion in this thread. Please keep me updated when evidence is provided that the sky really is falling.
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I just don’t like Comic Book Codes. Pre Code was better.
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Pre Code was better.


EC's and horror all the way!
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EC's and horror all the way!


Now that's something we can definitely agree on!
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@CatCovers @OGJackster I like horror too. I don't have a lot of the EC's (non, actually), but I love the old DC books: House of Mystery, Ghosts, Unexpected, and the Witching Hour. Those were always fun.
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The word indoctrination comes to mind. Where do you draw the line? At some point do you say Nazis are people too so it's all good? How about this, google NAMBLA. Is this next?


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When is CW going to include bestiality? A certain segment of society is putting peanut butter on their private parts or seeking out a horse. A what point is something abnormal? I'd honestly like to know.


Start with the idea of consenting adults and see if it works for you. Can children consent to sexual activity in an adult way? Can animals?

In general it might help to remember that the phrase 'slippery slope' is shorthand for 'the slippery slope fallacy' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
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EC's and horror all the way!


Now that's something we can definitely agree on!


Here's an EC horror book that became a topic of censorship issues...



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EC's and horror all the way!


Now that's something we can definitely agree on!


Here's an EC horror book that became a topic of censorship issues...
Really Cat drinking man? I happen to have that book on my wall. I will need to look up the story! Thanks. Even more notorious



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EC's and horror all the way!


Now that's something we can definitely agree on!


Here's an EC horror book that became a topic of censorship issues...




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Really Cat drinking man? I happen to have that book on my wall. I will need to look up the story! Thanks. Even more notorious


Yeah, this issue contains the infamous Jack Davis illustrated baseball story Foul Play that Frederic Wertham used in his sketchily researched book Seduction of The Innocent.

As for drinking, I'm a fan of dark malty ales.
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I'm a stout man myself...Guinness and Murphys in particular.😀🍺🍻
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Guinness is my downfall, but the happier I get, the less picky I am. I have drank some serious swill, but I recall a time that’s all you could get, American made swill, 70’s style.
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same here in Canada....Red Cap, 50, Laker....all Canadian swill..lol! 🍻🍺
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Clearly, most of you that see no issues with this agenda probably don't have children.

I do. My daughter's about to turn 12. She's familiar with concepts like homosexuality and transgender. Couldn't very well raise her without understanding what homosexuality is, given that her "uncle," my closest and oldest friend, is gay. Morally, I felt an obligation to raise her to be open-minded and accepting of people different from herself.


I worked with a guy who was arrested for wearing women's underwear and a trench coat at a mall and flashing people. How open-minded does a person need to be?

When I was 14, a man approached me at the urinal and tried to get a peek while I was peeing. He wanted to put his mouth on my genetals. I shouted "No" and he ran out of the bathroom. At what point does open-minded behavior stop? I want a definition of what is normal.

I was proud of the Indigo Girls. I never actually saw Emily or Amy perform, but I knew them before they ever played music together. I donated an article to a fan site that was collecting articles and news clippings about them. My donation pre-dated the earliest article the site had available at the time. I wanted their fans to be able to enjoy it. Here are pictures of them from high school.





I talked to Amy right after they'd gotten a recording contract and she was nice and cordial. I briefly tried to say hello to them years later when they were slated to perform a sidewalk concert in a small local community. They acted like they didn't know me. I was actually offended and lost all desire to even see their concert. They weren't the same people. I was disappointed. I did smile when one of the recent DC Legends of Tomorrow episodes mentioned them. That was one of the few bright spots with regards to CW's agenda.
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If every show on CW... 5 of them (?) featured two or more characters with with Alzheimer's, I'd definitely be expressing vitriol.


Green Arrow - white
Flash - white
Supergirl - white
Legends of Tomorrow (to start, at least) - white, white, white, white, black guy who only has powers if he combines with a white guy

must be an agenda, I guess.


Nope. It's based upon the comics. There was probably an agenda in the comics, but if you want popular comic book characters that span multiple generations, a white (technically pink) character is most likely going to fit that bill before a non-white character.

I was overjoyed when Luke Cage got his TV show. I was overjoyed when Black Panther got a full feature movie dedicated to him. I am a fan of both characters. Black Lightning has a good representation of black characters with a token white guy. I like it better than some of the other CW superhero shows. He doesn't really do much, but I think the show has better acting than the rest of the CW shows. Maisie Richardson-Sellers is one of the only reasons I watch DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
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The word indoctrination comes to mind. Where do you draw the line? At some point do you say Nazis are people too so it's all good? How about this, google NAMBLA. Is this next?


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When is CW going to include bestiality? A certain segment of society is putting peanut butter on their private parts or seeking out a horse. A what point is something abnormal? I'd honestly like to know.


Start with the idea of consenting adults and see if it works for you. Can children consent to sexual activity in an adult way? Can animals?

In general it might help to remember that the phrase 'slippery slope' is shorthand for 'the slippery slope fallacy' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope


I'm sure there is someone out there saying "the dog licked me first."
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The word indoctrination comes to mind. Where do you draw the line? At some point do you say Nazis are people too so it's all good? How about this, google NAMBLA. Is this next?


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When is CW going to include bestiality? A certain segment of society is putting peanut butter on their private parts or seeking out a horse. A what point is something abnormal? I'd honestly like to know.


Start with the idea of consenting adults and see if it works for you. Can children consent to sexual activity in an adult way? Can animals?

In general it might help to remember that the phrase 'slippery slope' is shorthand for 'the slippery slope fallacy' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope


I'm sure there is someone out there saying "the dog licked me first."


Disney is a massive promoter of bestiality...nothing wrong if Disney gives the ok (mermaid, beauty and the beast, roger rabbit...probably more that i can't think of!)
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The word indoctrination comes to mind. Where do you draw the line? At some point do you say Nazis are people too so it's all good? How about this, google NAMBLA. Is this next?


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When is CW going to include bestiality? A certain segment of society is putting peanut butter on their private parts or seeking out a horse. A what point is something abnormal? I'd honestly like to know.


Start with the idea of consenting adults and see if it works for you. Can children consent to sexual activity in an adult way? Can animals?

In general it might help to remember that the phrase 'slippery slope' is shorthand for 'the slippery slope fallacy' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope


I'm sure there is someone out there saying "the dog licked me first."


Disney is a massive promoter of bestiality...nothing wrong if Disney gives the ok (mermaid, beauty and the beast, roger rabbit...probably more that i can't think of!)


Very true. In all honesty, I have no desire to see those either.
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In general it might help to remember that the phrase 'slippery slope' is shorthand for 'the slippery slope fallacy' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope


I'm familiar with this topic, but I look at things more from stress test perspective. If you write software code and don't define the length of an input box for text, someone WILL come along and intentionally enter more than 256 characters and initiate a buffer overload error. This used to be a very common way to get the microprocessor to run malicious code. The question is not whether something will naturally evolve into a worst case scenario. The question is whether the wrong person comes along and does it intentionally.
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So no lgbtq (sorry rock hudson or live theatre fans) no bestiality (Disney out)... are witches or zombies ok??? If not i think we are left with am talk radio (but those guys are conspiracy kooks!)
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Clearly, most of you that see no issues with this agenda probably don't have children.

I do. My daughter's about to turn 12. She's familiar with concepts like homosexuality and transgender. Couldn't very well raise her without understanding what homosexuality is, given that her "uncle," my closest and oldest friend, is gay. Morally, I felt an obligation to raise her to be open-minded and accepting of people different from herself.


I worked with a guy who was arrested for wearing women's underwear and a trench coat at a mall and flashing people. How open-minded does a person need to be?

When I was 14, a man approached me at the urinal and tried to get a peek while I was peeing. He wanted to put his mouth on my genetals. I shouted "No" and he ran out of the bathroom. At what point does open-minded behavior stop? I want a definition of what is normal.

I was proud of the Indigo Girls. I never actually saw Emily or Amy perform, but I knew them before they ever played music together. I donated an article to a fan site that was collecting articles and news clippings about them. My donation pre-dated the earliest article the site had available at the time. I wanted their fans to be able to enjoy it. Here are pictures of them from high school.





I talked to Amy right after they'd gotten a recording contract and she was nice and cordial. I briefly tried to say hello to them years later when they were slated to perform a sidewalk concert in a small local community. They acted like they didn't know me. I was actually offended and lost all desire to even see their concert. They weren't the same people. I was disappointed. I did smile when one of the recent DC Legends of Tomorrow episodes mentioned them. That was one of the few bright spots with regards to CW's agenda.


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So no lgbtq (sorry rock hudson or live theatre fans) no bestiality (Disney out)... are witches or zombies ok??? If not i think we are left with am talk radio (but those guys are conspiracy kooks!)


At no point have I ever said none. Adding this context to every superhero show you produce is excess.
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Clearly, most of you that see no issues with this agenda probably don't have children.

I do. My daughter's about to turn 12. She's familiar with concepts like homosexuality and transgender. Couldn't very well raise her without understanding what homosexuality is, given that her "uncle," my closest and oldest friend, is gay. Morally, I felt an obligation to raise her to be open-minded and accepting of people different from herself.


I worked with a guy who was arrested for wearing women's underwear and a trench coat at a mall and flashing people. How open-minded does a person need to be?

When I was 14, a man approached me at the urinal and tried to get a peek while I was peeing. He wanted to put his mouth on my genetals. I shouted "No" and he ran out of the bathroom. At what point does open-minded behavior stop? I want a definition of what is normal.

I was proud of the Indigo Girls. I never actually saw Emily or Amy perform, but I knew them before they ever played music together. I donated an article to a fan site that was collecting articles and news clippings about them. My donation pre-dated the earliest article the site had available at the time. I wanted their fans to be able to enjoy it. Here are pictures of them from high school.





I talked to Amy right after they'd gotten a recording contract and she was nice and cordial. I briefly tried to say hello to them years later when they were slated to perform a sidewalk concert in a small local community. They acted like they didn't know me. I was actually offended and lost all desire to even see their concert. They weren't the same people. I was disappointed. I did smile when one of the recent DC Legends of Tomorrow episodes mentioned them. That was one of the few bright spots with regards to CW's agenda.




I'm just saying someone needs to define the parameters of what is normal and reasonable if you don't see an excess in the CW shows. I'm capable of making a decision on a personal basis. I have no interest in fantasy themes. I have no interest in zombies or vampires. I can make a long list of story content that doesn't inspire me to watch a television show.
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One group of people telling another how they should believe, act, and live isn't right. One group seeking acceptance and not extending the same courtesy to others isn't right. Everyone deserves the freedom to choose within the law.

I no longer watch the CW because I do not agree with the underlying agenda of their programs, and yes, it is an agenda. Whether it is a lifestyle agenda, a ratings agenda, or a political agenda is debatable, but it's an agenda nonetheless. It becomes an agenda when the underlying idea becomes more important than the quality or progression of the story. A good story gives you all the information to make your own decisions. It doesn't tell you what to believe and damn you for disagreeing.

If transgenderism is your interest, then watch something quality such as Transparent or Transamerica and skip the blatant politically correct pandering. If that's your thing and enjoy it, then carry on. Just my two cents.
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