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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth You are going to be sorely disappointed when you learn about nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals Given your morals I strongly suggest you *not* read the section on Amazon river dolphins, because you will never be able to figure out how those dolphins got the internet. |
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| When is CW going to include bestiality? A certain segment of society is putting peanut butter on their private parts or seeking out a horse. A what point is something abnormal? I'd honestly like to know. I'm very tolerant. I worked with two different highly defensive and confrontational lesbians over different spans of time. One girl was grouchy to everyone except me. If she was having a bad day, she came to me so she could get a laugh. Another girl was defensive and took a list of people to HR because they said very benign things that offended her. On her last day, she gave me a very sincere compliment about being good to work with. I don't condone their lifestyle, but I respected her right to make that choice. The issue about CW has nothing to do with tolerance. It's entirely to do with shoving the agenda in my face. I don't want to watch the sport of skiing on TV. I definitely do not want to watch skiing segments in every other episode of a CW show. I think it's illogical to like a sport that requires you to dress like an Eskimo and hangout in the cold weather. People have a right to make that choice. I'm still not going to watch skiing on TV. I don't hate people for wanting alternative lifestyles. I just have no desire to watch it every week. In their attempts to reach out to a small segment of the population (transgender), they are potentially alienating themselves from their core audience. That's their choice, but it's stupid in my opinion if their goal is to have high ratings. It's like dropping Britney Spears music into a hard rock radio station's playlist. I don't want to hear it. I'll watch something else or nothing. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Homosexuality is often a byproduct of overcrowding or dense populations. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Trans is entirely different than homosexuality. The latter is prevalent in nature. The former, well whatever. Its not ok these days to speak scientific truths if it hurts anyone’s feelings so i’ll leave it at that. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Nature as in MAN & WOMAN.... I don't care about animals. If I want to watch nature shows I'll watch the Discovery channel etc. When I want to watch a show about comic characters I don't want a special appearance with RuPaul as the heroe or a villian. |
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| ...and this is why you have a choice to not buy or not watch. But no one should have the right to take that choice away from those who want to buy or watch. ....anyway... predictably...in before the lock. |
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As far as I'm concerned, it's all good. Threads usually get locked when people get confrontational and disrespectful. So far that has not happened. There is nothing wrong with the contents of this thread and the comments have been insightful with respect to others. Except for maybe small furry farm animals, horses, and goats.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer If I could find a wiki article on transgenderism in animals I would, but I don't honestly even know how you'd start figuring out how an animal feels about its gender. All you can do is observe behavior, and that's going to look same-sex or opposite-sex. |
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| @CatCovers Quote: Originally Posted by CatCovers Why not a transgender super-villain then? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck That woulds send out a hate message. There is an agenda to send out a message that all beliefs and orientations are acceptable unless it speaks against the agenda. There are no grounds to respect another person but inherently disagree with them. We are wrong if we feel differently. I credit this mindset with Barney the Dinosaur. Everyone is supposed to hold hands, rotate around in a circle and tell each other how much we love them. Which is ironic, because I have a severe food sensitivity and when I encounter people who have eaten those foods, I have to fight back spasms that accompany a vomit response. I literally get sick and have to avoid breathing the air around some people. We're all the same though. We (society) are all one body, but the concepts that bones support the flesh and brain cells serve a different function that reproductive cells is not acceptable. We must all be the same and think the same or we represent hate. |
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| @xkonk this ain't Animal Kingdom. Drop the transgender animal act. We aren't concerned about animals; just the agenda. | ||
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| @CaptainCanuck Why not? As a function of population, naturally. Someone's sexual orientation or (in this case) gender identity would be distinct and independent of their propensity for superheroism or supervillainy, and would occur in both population samples with similar frequency. If you're asking why not have the first transgender character in a superhero TV show be a villain, well, past is prologue. Look at race. For decades, black, Asian, Native American characters in movies were virtually always villains or comic relief, existing only for heroes from Gary Cooper to Arnold to shoot, stab, laugh at or simply manfully out-think. Eventually, there was a backlash against it, as people wanted to see characters who looked like them portrayed in a positive light. Then again with gay characters (and you could pretty much do a search and replace with gay and transgender in this thread and come up with a debate from 20 years ago) it was much the same. Now, you have a lot more acceptance of gay characters than when, say Brokeback Mountain came out. I remember a spittle-flecked column by useless harridan Ann Coulter railing about the movie and declaring there was no such thing as a gay cowboy. I found this endlessly amusing, given than a friend of mine at the time was bartending in a gay cowboy bar. Long story short (too late) I really can't blame people for not wanting to go from invisible in film to being portrayed as villains in film. Look, the simple truth is this doesn't much matter to most of us. Transgender people can see a positive character in their image and be happy. Me? It doesn't affect me in any way. Nor does it any of you. Our lives will go on as before and the world will keep spinning whether some CW show has a transgender character or not. Personally, I have a whole lot of other things to worry about. |
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| does representation equal an agenda? | ||
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| To me, it's like objecting to a super hero with cancer or alzheimers. You dont have to like or even agree with a trans character but why be vitriolic about it? That's what I dont get....live and let live. | ||
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| @GAC Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Relating a transgender character to one afflicted with cancer or Alzheimers was an interesting choice. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck I didnt mean it that way...but definitely not the best comparisons I could have made. |
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| All walks of life exist on this planet...and all walks of life buy, read and enjoy comics and tv shows and movies. why wouldn't they want representation and why would we want to prevent them from it? | ||
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| @GAC Well if that's the case, let them make their own comic book companies & leave the normal, everyday, people's comic book companies alone. Why shove their ideals, beliefs & lifestyles in our faces, in our children's faces, when we don't want it there? You see, it's being slid into our children's lives through comics and tv shows. This backdoor is a way to reach childern where it wouldn't have normally reached them. Most parents think "Oh it's PG-13, & comic book related, it should be fine for them to watch." Then there is people like you that don't see anything wrong with this kind of brainwashing. It's called "tv programming" for a reason and being transgender is a learned experience. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC No, but systematically including LGBTQ & Sometimes Y characters across every show and making it a focal point of new shows is an agenda. Advertising that your network is open to all lifestyles is an agenda. Taking non-essential side characters that were straight for 2 seasons and having it dawn upon them that they are gay one day is an element of that. Going further down that tangent and spending almost 50% of the show exploring the complications with that relationship is an agenda. It has nothing to do with the overall story arc featuring the villains. It is a political statement. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC If every show on CW... 5 of them (?) featured two or more characters with with Alzheimer's, I'd definitely be expressing vitriol. There isn't just one alternative lifestyle character on each show. There are usually about 3 or more. It's usually a side plot of distraction weakening the character's focus and ability to make a decision. I have other problems with the writing on CW shows, the "agenda" just happens to be the most annoying. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Agreed. Is someone living an alternative lifestyle afflicted? It would be funny to me if the person defending the inclusion of alternative lifestyles was insulting the people they are defending. |
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| I'm curious, has anyone involved in this discussion actually met a transgender person? The reason I ask is that there seems to be an abundance of experts on the topic of transgenderism, but very little fact based, real world analysis. Is everything folks need to know about the threat of creeping sexual ambiguity to be gleaned by watching more CW programming? Seriously, as a heterosexual male I neither claim to have any great knowledge on this subject nor insight into the mindset of transgender folks, but I can provide testimonial evidence to having met more than one who went through the process of changing their birth sex. In neither case was this a casual or spur of the moment decision. Also, it's entirely understandable why heterosexuals might feel uncomfortable around transgender folks since it's something they can't relate to in their own lives. Sadly, the predictable reaction to things folks don't understand is a tendency to demonize the "other", take a defensive posture, complain that folks defending the status quo are being bullied, and label anyone who favors compassion and inclusivity as having an agenda. Hey, I'm not being judgmental here, just stating the obvious. I'm just as guilty of having held biased views about the transgender community, but I've come to realize that someone else's personal sexuality poses no threat to me or society as a whole. Folks who are secure in their own sexuality have no basis for fear, much less a defendable rationale to demonize those whose sexual persuasion they can't understand. Just because one can't directly relate to another's life experience doesn't mean that acceptance of that person's right to be who they are isn't a value worthy of aspiration. Nevertheless, this is a part of life's journey and a choice each individual must make for themselves. It's the same choice everyone should be willing to grant others, without prejudice, as an enlightened adult. Those who have yet to reach this conclusion should take some solace in the fact that sexual orientation is not determined by exposure to it. It doesn't spread by contact or vicariously through media indoctrination. Sexual orientation isn't something that can be taught, manipulated by overzealous advocates or subdued by peer pressure. It can't be removed by voodoo or exorcism. Sexual preference isn't a political agenda or a conspiracy, it's an evolutionary part of human nature regardless of whether it's repressed or indulged. Yeah, I know, ...way too much caffeine today!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Why don't radio stations play all types of music? Jazz, Hip Hop, Death Metal, Love songs, Classical... Mix it up. Play it all. Why don't they do that? Nobody would listen to it. The minute the hard rock fan heard "Don't Worry, Be happy", they'd be flipping the channel. That's exactly what we are saying here. If they want to make one show based upon an alternative lifestyle... do it. See where the ratings go. If it survives, I'm happy for them. Don't mix up different genre's and themes if you me to watch/listen. I tune in to superheroes to see what I read in the comics. If they start baiting me with that and starting switching it up to tell stories about Supergirl's sister being gay.. that's not why I'm watching the show. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica Yes, I live in Atlanta. |
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| @CatmanAmerica there is so much I disagree with on what you said. First off, I don't care what others do in the comfort of their own homes. I can careless who's gay or straight. But here's the part that a few of you on here seem to not get. Its not that we are attacking transgenders or gays, only when the agenda of pushing that lifestyle into our children's lives is when we "demonize" it & speak out. Quote: Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica Then why spread it through comic book tv shows & movies that children watch? Why even have that lifestyle in mainstream media at all then, if by your thinking, sexual preference or orientation can't be taught or manipulated? Then what's the point? Clearly, most of you that see no issues with this agenda probably don't have children. |
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| Disabled people greatly outnumber “alternative lifestyle” people. Are they being proportionally represented in television and film? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth I do. My daughter's about to turn 12. She's familiar with concepts like homosexuality and transgender. Couldn't very well raise her without understanding what homosexuality is, given that her "uncle," my closest and oldest friend, is gay. Morally, I felt an obligation to raise her to be open-minded and accepting of people different from herself. |
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| @CatCovers well said! | ||
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| @CatCovers Ok. Good luck! My grandson, when he comes of age, will be taught it's wrong and goes against our religious beliefs and morals in our home. Your head of your household, I'm head of mine. Only difference is I don't allow agendas like this in mine. |
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