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Amazing Spider-Man #252 Before and After Being Shipped to CBCS.8228

Collector GAC private msg quote post Address this user
don't know if this has been mentioned already but when making a comparison between two identical objects they have to be viewed under identical conditions.....the before pic is in a bag n' board and the after pic is not....right off the bat there's going to be differences.
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It’s the same book. It’s a shame this happened.
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
I do not think its the same book. I started on post 1 and read all the way down. The second I started reading this I thought it doesn't even look like the same book...The spine roll and the top left marvel box are different for starters. The color boldness as well.

Furthermore, if I am incorrect, then I think you pack your books too tightly. Simply put. Double box your comics and unless you are getting books witnessed for signature, you are better off mailing them in instead of dropping off at a convention where lots of clumsy hands can become a factor.

This is how I ship comics to cgc and cbcs: clickable text

If you are sending more than 1 book, alternate spines (front to back, back to front) and alternate vertical book orientations (Every other top to bottom, then bottom to top). This way also ensures you won't get tape indentations from the book placed in front of it. Don't pack so tightly, this creates spine ticks and unnecessary bends. Use moderation but just make sure things don't move around inside the smaller box.
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Spideys foot seems just a hair closer to the edge of the right side in the first imgage. Also the buildings seem "fuller" on the right side second copy.
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I have sent in multiples (i.e. dozens) of the exact same book to be graded and I can always tell which ones were which after they were slabbed. No two books are cut exactly the same. The tell-tale sign is the position of certain graphic elements from the edge of the book. Here is a comparison of the aforementioned two pictures with key elements highlighted with yellow circles (Amazing Spider-man logo and Spider-man's left foot) and a square (distance of UPC code from the bottom edge). The positioning of these elements are bang on.


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I'm looking at the corners on the spine as well.
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@Studley_Dudley

Corners have also been damaged. The after photo has been shot with more of an angle than the before photo, revealing just slightly more of the spine and thus a very small portion of the back cover.
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Spines and color boldness look different.
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@kaptainmyke

See above.

As far as boldness, that’s different lighting and one is in a bag.
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
Okay I am convinced it’s the same book. I looked at it on my iPad Pro with better detail. It’s totally the lighting but you can see the spine roll/miswrap
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Man, this thread almost got there.


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this is why I only buy 5.00 books
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@Watcher But do you grade those $5 books?
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@Watcher But do you grade those $5 books?

foolishly, I have sometimes
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@Drogio @jgzachary13 @kaptainmyke @GAC @esaravo @CaptainCanuck
Thanks for all the feedback. As this is my first time ever submitting comic books I'll be sure not to follow CGC shipping guidelines the next time around which suggest taping along the spine. The lighting in the photos is definitely different. I was never trying to deceive anyone, I submitted all the before photos I have in a post further down the thread.

At this point I definitely won't be filing a claim with CBCS since it seems clear my packing job was likely the reason for the spine damage on the comic.

On the bright side, here's some photos of other comics I submitted along with the ASM #252.




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@flanders Nice books!
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@flanders Nice books!

+1
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
I have sent in multiples (i.e. dozens) of the exact same book to be graded and I can always tell which ones were which after they were slabbed. No two books are cut exactly the same. The tell-tale sign is the position of certain graphic elements from the edge of the book. Here is a comparison of the aforementioned two pictures with key elements highlighted with yellow circles (Amazing Spider-man logo and Spider-man's left foot) and a square (distance of UPC code from the bottom edge). The positioning of these elements are bang on.




You're most likely right, the angle could be causing my doubts. I look st the web coming out of his left hand and the widows of the purple building below the web line seem different sizes. You can see more window(s) on the right side image.
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The whole left side of the original picture in the bag and board has a shadow, hiding the spine ticks. This is the same book and likely the same condition as sent in. Sorry conspiracy theories don't exist here.
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The whole left side of the original picture in the bag and board has a shadow, hiding the spine ticks. This is the same book and likely the same condition as sent in. Sorry conspiracy theories don't exist here.
refer to the additional images outside of bag
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Originally Posted by Savage_Spawn
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
I have sent in multiples (i.e. dozens) of the exact same book to be graded and I can always tell which ones were which after they were slabbed. No two books are cut exactly the same. The tell-tale sign is the position of certain graphic elements from the edge of the book. Here is a comparison of the aforementioned two pictures with key elements highlighted with yellow circles (Amazing Spider-man logo and Spider-man's left foot) and a square (distance of UPC code from the bottom edge). The positioning of these elements are bang on.




You're most likely right, the angle could be causing my doubts. I look st the web coming out of his left hand and the widows of the purple building below the web line seem different sizes. You can see more window(s) on the right side image.
. I agree.. That window basically doesn't exist in the original book.. I still suspect a different book
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The whole left side of the original picture in the bag and board has a shadow, hiding the spine ticks. This is the same book and likely the same condition as sent in. Sorry conspiracy theories don't exist here.


I think you may be right (also nice name!). It's very possible that those spine creases were there prior to shipping but aren't visible in the photo of the bagged book and weren't visible to me while examining the book due to bad lighting. I wasn't sure if I was seeing things at first but in an earlier post if you zoom in on the side view of the spine it looks like there's some creases along the top 1/8 of the spine.

Sorry for wasting anyone's time, although this has been both educational and entertaining seeing everyone's opinions. I'll be more careful not only in packing but in taking photos and examining my comic books from now on.
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I selected a grade screen of 9.0, not because I felt the book would be in this condition (I expected a 9.6 or 9.8), but because this is the lowest grade I feel that it would even be worth paying to have the comic graded. To me there's no point in having a slabbed ASM #252 in 8.5 condition.


I feel/felt the same way with an ASM 36 (all black cover) and a Campbell Xmen 510 (Psylocke). I showed these around a bit before sending them and expected a 9.6+ for each of them. ASM came back as a 9.2 and the Xmen came back as a 9.4.

They were immaculate.

I was pretty bummed with the resulting grade and unfortunately had already submitted a second volley of book before any of the first volley were returned.

I will most definitely be taking pics before sending them in the future.

And I agree, I don't necessarily blame whom ever received them at CBCS, but I am highly suspicious of the people I handed them over to at the cons. Very disappointing.
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The whole left side of the original picture in the bag and board a shadow, hiding the spine ticks. This is the same book and likely the same condition as sent in. Sorry conspiracy theories don't exist here.
refer to the additional images outside of bag


The picture outside the bag is from post CBCS, inside bag is before. Notice how bright that lower 50% edge of the spine is outside the bag, and how the dark shadow from being inside the bag. Inside the bag is hiding the spine ticks because its a shadow. This is very obvious in my observation of the two photos.
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Here are the sections that @CaptainCanuck highlighted blown up. They sure look identical to me.


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@Terry88 right now I'm only suspicious of my photography and comic book assessment skills. I'll gladly do business with CBCS again in the future and I'm happy that I've been given some good advice on how to ship comics properly even though I watched a handful of youtube videos, even one from CGC, before shipping.
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@Savage_Spawn

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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
I have sent in multiples (i.e. dozens) of the exact same book to be graded and I can always tell which ones were which after they were slabbed. No two books are cut exactly the same. The tell-tale sign is the position of certain graphic elements from the edge of the book. Here is a comparison of the aforementioned two pictures with key elements highlighted with yellow circles (Amazing Spider-man logo and Spider-man's left foot) and a square (distance of UPC code from the bottom edge). The positioning of these elements are bang on.




You're most likely right, the angle could be causing my doubts. I look st the web coming out of his left hand and the widows of the purple building below the web line seem different sizes. You can see more window(s) on the right side image.


The reason that it looks as though the building has less windows in the original is because a glare from a flash/overhead light runs along the right edge of the cover and washes out some of the imagery.
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@Savage_Spawn

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Originally Posted by Savage_Spawn
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
I have sent in multiples (i.e. dozens) of the exact same book to be graded and I can always tell which ones were which after they were slabbed. No two books are cut exactly the same. The tell-tale sign is the position of certain graphic elements from the edge of the book. Here is a comparison of the aforementioned two pictures with key elements highlighted with yellow circles (Amazing Spider-man logo and Spider-man's left foot) and a square (distance of UPC code from the bottom edge). The positioning of these elements are bang on.




You're most likely right, the angle could be causing my doubts. I look st the web coming out of his left hand and the widows of the purple building below the web line seem different sizes. You can see more window(s) on the right side image.


The reason that it looks as though the building has less windows in the original is because a glare from a flash/overhead light runs along the right edge of the cover and washes out some of the imagery.



The things you should learn from this thread:

1. Never trust a noob
2. Never trust a photo
3. Definitely never trust a photo from a noob.
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Originally Posted by flanders


The things you should learn from this thread:

1. Never trust a noob
2. Never trust a photo
3. Definitely never trust a photo from a noob.


I always aim for this forum to be better than CGC. There is no need to be personal. OP asked for our assistance.
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