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| The use of a light box is in and of itself not a bad thing. MANY artists use them. They can rework an old piece that they did, resize a portion of a current piece, use it to see how backgrounds look, etc. There are a thousand legitimate reasons for an artist to use a light box. But there is one major WRONG way to use it and that's to copy someone else's work that you are claiming is your own. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrianGreensnips He wasn't stealing other peoples drawings though. Lots of artists use reference, what the guy the article is about is doing is called swiping. Some artists made an entire career of doing that (Rich Buckler and Rob Liefeld come to mind immediately). |
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| can honestly say I was never a fan of his work. On another note...I may have mentioned that my father was an artist (trained at an art school in the 60's run by Disney), as such for high school projects I knew about tricks and techniques I probably shouldn't have (late 80's here - pre internet in a small town, not even cable!) and that the high school art teacher wouldn't have suspected that I knew. Got a few 'A' marks thanks to projectors (usually scenery from photos we took) and rice paper!! Good old dad taught me how to forge not just his but anyones signature to boot!!! Just takes a little practice to get your hand to move smooth.... Probably not good enough to fool pro scrutiny but better than good enough to fool a teacher so I could get out of class!!! |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Mattina was at NYCC a couple years ago at a dealers booth. He was doing a few commissions for the weekend. Went I kept going back to the booth, I noticed a Thanos he did for someone; and I have to say I was extremely unimpressed at the product that was produced. I don't want to go down this digital artwork vs. pencilled/inked artwork discussion for the millionth time, but I gotta say I would not purchase hand done artwork from him. The Thanos just didn't cut it for me whatsoever and was happy I didn't ask for an expensive commission. His digital artwork is impressive (albeit questionable based on this news); but hand drawn - nahhhh |
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| His work is different enough that I don't care. All artists copy. Some of the best use photo references. Sometimes two artists just happen to use the same photo references and we don't even know that both were doing it. It still takes skill and talent to do what he did. | ||
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| I think I remember watching a vid that Greg Land did something similar. I wonder how common this is? | ||
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| Even his original artwork that people have commissioned is a knock off... Mattina...  Campbell...  |
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| I assume he hasn't made a statement. | ||
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| Sad news. Especially since a few of the other artists are represented/managed by the same person who manages Mattina. To his credit, if you are going to copy, do it better. Which IMO he has. Does not make it right though. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| this is less a comment on his ability or talent but more about his character. you cant deny the guys talent. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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| Most of these new "hot", "uber talented" artists that just do covers these days are just that - "cover artists". I am dubious they can provide any type of sequential art storytelling. I am impressed with creators who can not only draw covers; but can also draw a story, are masters at sequential art storytelling; AND are also highly regarded writers. I am not impressed with any of these 2010+ cover artists that render one image digitally and we go "wow!! - nice cover!!"; but can't draw a story. Swiping art from others digitally on a consistent basis does nothing to improve their craft. These type of artists are a dime a dozen on deviantart and related websites. Theres a boatload of digital "cool", "wow", "omg" hot artists on these sites. |
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Now I have to cancel my Spawn preorders  |
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 Johnny, where are your buccaneers?Johnny: Under my buccan hat. |
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| Here's a couple of examples of one artist giving credit to the original artist.. if you look at where its signed you'll see the credit statement I'm not to sure they do this on the newer books I looked at some covers I thought were suspect and didn't see anything on the cover but it could be inside by the copyright statement.. ?? This is form of coping runs rampant in the art you hang on the wall.. They have large studios that copy original artists oil paintings for offices etc... This keeps the cost down.. is it right ?? So you trace a picture of lets say Captain Marvel... color her your way.. put some other copied foe's in it, throw in a building and a car Then sign it with your name (realistically it's your composition) Is this right or is it a forgery.. ???   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Paulbg2000 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing lol you kid, but there are definitely some that had that mentality. It's one thing to swipe from live references like Greg Land. I am very hit or miss with Greg. I saw his Ultimate Fantastic Four stuff years ago and liked it. However, when he's off, he's really off, and he's off way too often. I also loathe his Wolverine claws. Back on topic, Mattina, sadly, did really good work, and to swipe from other artists is, unfortunately, disgraceful. Use models or a mixed medium like Deodato JR, and I can tolerate it. Deodato can recreate some amazing work, if anyone has seen his Avengers stuff with Hickman. Unfortunately though, again, swiping from artists is disrespectful. If there is something any artist should hold dear, a true artist should have his integrity. That's why they call it: Artistic Integrity. If you don't have integrity as an artist, they you're barred from calling yourself one. Period. |
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| I get cover A and cover B of Batman pulled for me in my pull list at my LCS. Lately the B covers have all been Mattina. I wonder for how long. I think I will call my LCS today and stop having the B cover pulled. I think I will add Venom which I have really been enjoying. Anyone know about the future of the Batman B covers? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Hcanes I noticed this as well and they haven’t said anything about it to my knowledge from what I’ve seen. |
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| Sold all my Mattina Suicide Squad covers today for a decent profit. Glad to move them before the bomb really drops on him. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Paulbg2000 Tell you what. How about you go and redo that cover, and DON'T USE an iconic pose by a universally known character. Thats a weak stretch that you put up man, just sayin. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 And? Whats the point of this statement? There are a ton of respected sequential artists that can't do anything near as good at Mattina. Hes a cover artist, and hes damn good at it. Your comparison is like ripping on a plumber because hes a crappy electrician. Yeah they both work on your house, but they are different skills entirely. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by mediaslave I see we have a die-hard Mattina fan here even though all the evidence proves Mattina steals other artist art. Oh Matty, say it ain't so !!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Sure am. Why wouldn't I be? Also, get it right. He absolutely, 100% COMPLETELY INARGUABLY swiped SOME of his work, and thats absolutely unacceptable. There's just no reason for it. I will never, even for a second, refute that. But he's also produced some of the best covers I have seen in years. Hes incredibly talented. I am also willing to bet hes under enourmous pressure for deadlines, and to maximize his time in the spotlight. Its not an excuse at all, but I get it. I used to work in games, and you'd be amazed at the shortcuts game texture artists would take to get stuff done. Yep, he swiped a bunch. Thats clear. So do a lot of other artists, albeit not so blatantly. But that Spiderman comparison is just weak AF. Its an iconic pose, theres only so many ways to change it up, and that one happens to be sort-of similar. Its bandwagonning at its best. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth I understand what you’re trying to do but I’m pretty sure this is Romita Sr. after Romita Sr. As for Mattina very sad and disappointed. Not a huge variant buyer do buy some for amazing art. The metal series in particular. However will not be buying his work going forward. |
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| Only fair that artists now take his work and copy it. Is a copy of a copy fine? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Frontier2Xterra Nope, Romita SR 66, Ditko 68. Quote: Originally Posted by mediaslave My question is now, how much of his stuff can be trusted... If he's producing great works, but they're all swipes, how great are they really? Can a swipe still be considered great? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DJC_II Interesting. Per notes it’s actually a composite from both artists. Learn something new. Always thought the tales was fully Romita too.  |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| Found this related video on Youtube: |
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