9.8 grading? | CBCS Comics

Collector 3.04K	3.04K moodswing private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Drogio Quote: Originally Posted by moodswing Can you have a blunted corner and still get a 9.8 if that is the only defect? I was looking at a raw comic I want to purchase and it has a blunted front corner. Seller has graded the comic at a 9.8. Is this possible? My understanding a 9.8 is basically perfect. I think you should ask yourself why is a 9.8 that important to you for this comic? Whether it grades a 9.8 or an 9.0, it still will have that blunted corner. Does that matter to you, or do,you just want someone to tell you it’s a 9.8 and you don’t care what defect that carries. (Because all 9.8s have defects) This comic has a black cover which will be very difficult to grade 9.8 regardless of the corner....i also have some very minor blunted corners in slabs that are 9.8s, btw. If your plan is to slab, It’s going to be a gamble with this no matter how you look at it. And with the top cover looking faded or smudged (could be the flash though) and the spine roll this is definitely not a 9.8 as shown. So what else is the seller not disclosing? The seller offers “free returns” within 30 days...so this means you can handle the comic and judge for yourself too...or provide this forum better higher quality photos in which to judge and assist you. I would not buy it for more than a raw 9.6 minus the fees it would cost to ship, press and grade/encapsulate it. In fact, usually when I lay out those costs I find it’s better to just buy a graded 9.6 and be happy I didn’t pay a crazy amount for a 9.8 that looks just like a 9.6, or spend a bunch of money hoping for a 9.8 just to have it come back a 9.6 or less. Edit: you also have a few more days to,ask for better photos of the defects, or the spine to verify the 9.8. Don’t take they’re word for it, especially with only two photos. Lazy. I would slab it so I have to decide if it would be financially beneficial to raw->slab or just buy 9.6 or 9.8. 9.6 are around mid fifties. Figure about $30 to slab so probably just be better to get one already slabbed.
	6 years ago	Post 26 • IP flag post

@moodswing Sorry for being late to this game. 2018 has been very rough on my soul. But that is a story for another time.

In the case of grading, certain minor defects can be excused if there is proof it has happened during publication. Otherwise the grade of a 9.6 (or lower) will be given if the damage appears to be done during shipping, handling, and other factors at hand. The 'proof' is that one factor many (including myself) tend to forget when looking for that one specific comic that can pass off as a definite 9.8.

However... The negative reviews against the seller generally point out that they do 'over-grade' their comics. And based on the lack of information on why they say it is said grade, that is something worth noting. Because defects aside, this specific issue passes as being no higher than a 9.6.

Why a 9.6?

Lets presume that there is no discoloration, no color break, and no sign of it being read. The average professional grader would allow it to be a 9.8 at the very highest IF the comic had only one known factory defect. This has two to three shown.

Defect #1: The obvious knock on the upper right corner. Lets just presume that it is a factory defect and nothing more. (And personally, I have sold off comics with a loss because I cannot accept a 9.8 with that type of defect.)

Defect #2: The staple on the bottom of the comic. It should show that portion of the comic was not stapled in properly, hence the illusion it has a roll-like defect going on.

Defect #3: The way it was printed. There is virtually no sign that there is damage. But there are signs that it was printed incorrectly, cut incorrectly, yet put together correctly.

So unless the specific grader decides that 2-3 factory defects make this issue qualify for a flat NM (9.4) grade, it would grade more like a NM+ (9.6). And only because there are no additional pre-shipment defects worth noting. Or, at least, in the regards to the actual product and not the photos that the seller is currently offering.

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	@moodswing Sorry for being late to this game. 2018 has been very rough on my soul. But that is a story for another time. In the case of grading, certain minor defects can be excused if there is proof it has happened during publication. Otherwise the grade of a 9.6 (or lower) will be given if the damage appears to be done during shipping, handling, and other factors at hand. The 'proof' is that one factor many (including myself) tend to forget when looking for that one specific comic that can pass off as a definite 9.8. However... The negative reviews against the seller generally point out that they do 'over-grade' their comics. And based on the lack of information on why they say it is said grade, that is something worth noting. Because defects aside, this specific issue passes as being no higher than a 9.6. Why a 9.6? Lets presume that there is no discoloration, no color break, and no sign of it being read. The average professional grader would allow it to be a 9.8 at the very highest IF the comic had only one known factory defect. This has two to three shown. Defect #1: The obvious knock on the upper right corner. Lets just presume that it is a factory defect and nothing more. (And personally, I have sold off comics with a loss because I cannot accept a 9.8 with that type of defect.) Defect #2: The staple on the bottom of the comic. It should show that portion of the comic was not stapled in properly, hence the illusion it has a roll-like defect going on. Defect #3: The way it was printed. There is virtually no sign that there is damage. But there are signs that it was printed incorrectly, cut incorrectly, yet put together correctly. So unless the specific grader decides that 2-3 factory defects make this issue qualify for a flat NM (9.4) grade, it would grade more like a NM+ (9.6). And only because there are no additional pre-shipment defects worth noting. Or, at least, in the regards to the actual product and not the photos that the seller is currently offering.
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Collector 1.5K	1.5K KeepItClunky private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Not saying it was the case with the Teen Titans book the OP started the thread with, but I think it's important to point out that sometimes damage occurs during the encapsulation process. Ive seen this happen a few times.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by KeepItClunky Not saying it was the case with the Teen Titans book the OP started the thread with, but I think it's important to point out that sometimes damage occurs during the encapsulation process. Ive seen this happen a few times. I had experiences with QC when I purchased the following CGC graded comics: - NYX #3 (9.8) - Pieces of their anti-acid paper was on the comic cover; no clue if it was also the case on the top right side of the issue as well. - All-New Wolverine #1 (action figure variant) (9.8) - Good size knock on the top left corner of the comic. It made me feel that it should have been graded a 9.6. No clue about Star Wars: Darth Vader #3 (9.8). I sold that for a loss because I did not like how it was slabbed in crooked.
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Collector 1.71K	1.71K Darryl_H private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	It would depend on the corner and the rest of the comic
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	Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo @X51 - If you can quantify the amount of gloss on a painted surface, can you do the same for a comic book cover? If so, you could start a service and place a sticker on a slab stating that the encased comic has “Exceptional Gloss.” If people will pay for a CVA sticker, why wouldn’t they pay for that? You hold a device up to the paint. It shoots a laser at the surface at one of three specified angles and spits out a value. The surface has to be relatively flat. To operate a service, you'd need to some kind of configuration where you were not making contact with the comic itself. Otherwise you'd risk damaging it. I think it's feasible, but the bugs would have to be worked out.
	6 years ago	Post 31 • IP flag post

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