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| Can you have a blunted corner and still get a 9.8 if that is the only defect? I was looking at a raw comic I want to purchase and it has a blunted front corner. Seller has graded the comic at a 9.8. Is this possible? My understanding a 9.8 is basically perfect. | ||
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  Bottom right corner has some kind of ding. This was a CGC 9.6 that came back CBCS 9.8 after the CGC slab fiasco. |
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Here is the listing in question: https://www.ebay.com/itm/233063318304?ul_noapp=true Top left corner definitely has a ding. |
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| I just think each company looks for different things when determining grades. I’ve heard people say CBCS is more strict but I just don’t see this to be the case. | ||
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @moodswing Grading is subjective. So sure... or no... depending on the grader. Personally, I would never grade a comic with a blunt corner as a 9.8 unless the blunt was very slight and the rest of the book was flawless. I'd probably never pay a 9.8 price for a slabbed 9.8 with a blunted corner, either. But that's just me. |
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Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That book isn't a 9.8. I don't claim any raw book that I would sell as a 9.8. As far as the grading, I've received the occasional 9.8 from the two main companies that I've questioned. | ||
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| Does there appear to be discoloration/fading above "The Uncanny," or am I looking too closely. The spine looks surprisingly clean at the angle provided though. If you look at the shot of the back, at the top right of the picture (the bottom of the book), you can see the corner pulls down. Although there may be an explanation for this, there seems to be a spine roll you would have to press out for any possible 9.8 grade. Moreover, the bottom on the same picture (the top of the picture) seems to show what appears to be waves throughout the book. I would expect to press this book if I took a chance on it. | ||
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Just remember that, even though 9.8 is the highest grade that any of us generally see, a 9.8 is never flawless. Just very, very, VERY close to being flawless. So one tiny, insignificant defect is allowed. | ||
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by jgzachary13 I noticed the back waves too. Book would definitely need to be pressed. |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
Funny, I was looking at books on ebay this morning trying to get ideas on what books I should submit to CBCS for grading next. I saw this listing and thought that because of the top corner, this book shouldn't have received a 9.8. |
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X51 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It can get anywhere from 8.0 to 10.0. They roll an 8 sided dice to get the all grades. | ||
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| I would be REALLY surprised if that X-Men # 201 came back a 9.8 with those rounded spine corners. Still a nice book but, a 9.8??? | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Collectors comics is sometimes loose with their grading. I've gotten stuff from them and had it graded; sometimes they were right, sometimes they were optimistic. I would say that 201 is optimistic. | ||
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| As I get complacent over time; it is these pictures of 9.8's (and many other clear grading questionable numbers) that continue to remind myself to never ever ever purchase graded comics; only sell them. I can do an equally poor job for far less money spent on a raw |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| There's nothing wrong with buying graded books. It just pays to remember that not all 9.Xs are created equal. What people tend to forget is that the assigned grade is only an opinion and yours may differ. | ||
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| @moodswing IMO, the pictures provided of the comic, to me looks like it will graded out at a 9.6 after a press. It looks very clean, unread, sharp right side edges, no ticks/bends. The rounded bottom left spine is the defect to be worried about. The entire bottom of the comic looks to be miscut. The miscut bottom of the right edge; it's miscut, but its still a sharply shaped miscut. The top left spine can probably get away with a manufacturers defect during the printing process & more than likely won't count against the comic but the bottom left corner of the spine is pretty round looking & is what will hurt the book. So, IMO, after a press, fingerprint cleaning (if needed) and if all interior pages are intact with no damage; it will probably come back a 9.6 if the pressing can help reshape those spine corners. |
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| Shouldn't that book have solid blacks along the top edge? | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Some poor soul is going to lay out exponential amount of $$$ for that CGC Richard Dragon Kung Fu when compared to a raw 9.8 candidate. Exponential! Because it states "9.8" (and it is not) I do not accept that "buy the book not the grade". I expect a 9.8 to be a 9.8 without me having to personally check. That's specifically what I payed the independent experts at CGC to do. I will sell sell sell all day; never buy. |
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JMR private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Where do you get the items that you “sell sell sell all day”? If you purchased off the shelf, then hopefully you used your own discretion on the condition. If you purchased raw online, you only have photos and the seller’s opinion on grade, which is really no different than using your own discretion while buying slabbed books. As someone already stated, it will never be an exact science. But that also means you may find a book that has been under graded, and a bargain. It seems a lot of people do the crack, press, and resubmit these days... |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @JMR I purchase both at comic shows and online - correct. Here is my issue (example): I am currently hoarding Eternals #3 (1st Sersi). I've been purchasing very high grade copies both at shows and online for roughly $25 - $30 raw. I plan to get them all graded. If you look at the last several sales for slabbed 9.8, they sell on average for $650. So if I am laying out $650 for a 9.8 it BETTER damn well be a 9.8; when I can get 20 9.8 candidates for $25 - $30 and likely get at least 1 9.8 when slabbed. Why on earth would someone lay out $650 for a CGC 9.8 Eternals when the "experts" provide a very questionable grade. Again... i will sell the 9.8; I will not purchase the 9.8. I'm not into giving away money. |
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| I don't know about CBCS, but CGC guaranteed nothing. When you send a comic in to be graded, all you are getting is an opinion and a holder. If the industry standard graders say it's a 9.8, who is to say it's not? We give the professional graders the authority to be the standard when we choose to use their service. Square corners was never an industry comic book grading criteria until CGC adopted it. It migrated over from the sports card industry. The hobby will always shift towards being more picky so that the retailer can say, "my comic is the best" and price it higher. In 5 years, someone will be complaining that your staple doesn't shine under the light as well as theirs does. I should go ahead and invent a fixture that holds a light at 45° and measures the amount of light reflected off of the staples. Things need to be scientific. We can't just look at a comic and say "Hey, that a pretty book." That's not good enough anymore. Comics need to be some statistical anomaly of perfection. The grading services really need to be setup in-house and encapsulating comics at the printer. by the time comics are handled by 2 or 3 people in the distribution process, they aren't worth owning. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @X51 Amen to this! Your key words: "Statistical", "Scientific", "fixture". I agree wholeheartedly. We are in (almost) 2019 and the capability for objective grading can be done. As long as we have 2 or 3 "experts" providing their subjective opinion, then we have statistically significant questionable graded books. That is not acceptable in this modern day. Grading needs to go from subjective to objective/statistical/fixture based. The company that does this 1st will grab the monopoly within the industry. Startup costs may be high, but the eventual payout will be monumental because it will be OBJECTIVE. "In God We Trust; All Others Bring Data" |
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| I'm an inspector for a living. I have to measure the gloss on paint. Visual appearance isn't good enough even though our products will be covered in dirt the first day of use. | ||
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @X51 - If you can quantify the amount of gloss on a painted surface, can you do the same for a comic book cover? If so, you could start a service and place a sticker on a slab stating that the encased comic has “Exceptional Gloss.” If people will pay for a CVA sticker, why wouldn’t they pay for that? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing I think you should ask yourself why is a 9.8 that important to you for this comic? Whether it grades a 9.8 or an 9.0, it still will have that blunted corner. Does that matter to you, or do,you just want someone to tell you it’s a 9.8 and you don’t care what defect that carries. (Because all 9.8s have defects) This comic has a black cover which will be very difficult to grade 9.8 regardless of the corner....i also have some very minor blunted corners in slabs that are 9.8s, btw. If your plan is to slab, It’s going to be a gamble with this no matter how you look at it. And with the top cover looking faded or smudged (could be the flash though) and the spine roll this is definitely not a 9.8 as shown. So what else is the seller not disclosing? The seller offers “free returns” within 30 days...so this means you can handle the comic and judge for yourself too...or provide this forum better higher quality photos in which to judge and assist you. I would not buy it for more than a raw 9.6 minus the fees it would cost to ship, press and grade/encapsulate it. In fact, usually when I lay out those costs I find it’s better to just buy a graded 9.6 and be happy I didn’t pay a crazy amount for a 9.8 that looks just like a 9.6, or spend a bunch of money hoping for a 9.8 just to have it come back a 9.6 or less. Edit: you also have a few more days to,ask for better photos of the defects, or the spine to verify the 9.8. Don’t take they’re word for it, especially with only two photos. Lazy. |
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio I would slab it so I have to decide if it would be financially beneficial to raw->slab or just buy 9.6 or 9.8. 9.6 are around mid fifties. Figure about $30 to slab so probably just be better to get one already slabbed. |
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| @moodswing Sorry for being late to this game. 2018 has been very rough on my soul. But that is a story for another time. In the case of grading, certain minor defects can be excused if there is proof it has happened during publication. Otherwise the grade of a 9.6 (or lower) will be given if the damage appears to be done during shipping, handling, and other factors at hand. The 'proof' is that one factor many (including myself) tend to forget when looking for that one specific comic that can pass off as a definite 9.8. However... The negative reviews against the seller generally point out that they do 'over-grade' their comics. And based on the lack of information on why they say it is said grade, that is something worth noting. Because defects aside, this specific issue passes as being no higher than a 9.6. Why a 9.6? Lets presume that there is no discoloration, no color break, and no sign of it being read. The average professional grader would allow it to be a 9.8 at the very highest IF the comic had only one known factory defect. This has two to three shown. Defect #1: The obvious knock on the upper right corner. Lets just presume that it is a factory defect and nothing more. (And personally, I have sold off comics with a loss because I cannot accept a 9.8 with that type of defect.) Defect #2: The staple on the bottom of the comic. It should show that portion of the comic was not stapled in properly, hence the illusion it has a roll-like defect going on. Defect #3: The way it was printed. There is virtually no sign that there is damage. But there are signs that it was printed incorrectly, cut incorrectly, yet put together correctly. So unless the specific grader decides that 2-3 factory defects make this issue qualify for a flat NM (9.4) grade, it would grade more like a NM+ (9.6). And only because there are no additional pre-shipment defects worth noting. Or, at least, in the regards to the actual product and not the photos that the seller is currently offering. |
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KeepItClunky private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Not saying it was the case with the Teen Titans book the OP started the thread with, but I think it's important to point out that sometimes damage occurs during the encapsulation process. Ive seen this happen a few times. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by KeepItClunky I had experiences with QC when I purchased the following CGC graded comics: - NYX #3 (9.8) - Pieces of their anti-acid paper was on the comic cover; no clue if it was also the case on the top right side of the issue as well. - All-New Wolverine #1 (action figure variant) (9.8) - Good size knock on the top left corner of the comic. It made me feel that it should have been graded a 9.6. No clue about Star Wars: Darth Vader #3 (9.8). I sold that for a loss because I did not like how it was slabbed in crooked. |
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| It would depend on the corner and the rest of the comic | ||
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