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Originally Posted by Oxbladder
1:x is a ration shorthand. If you worked in science you would know this.

I know that, and I don't even work in science.

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Originally Posted by OB
Any time something is rationed it acts as an incentive.

Yet, as Swampy explained above, these books aren't rationed, in the traditional sense of something being rationed.

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Originally Posted by OB
That is why the use of the current rationing came into being. The lower they push the ratio the more it will push retailers to order to certain limits to get these books.

Except, as I pointed out above, the early examples were a sort of "rewards" program, not an ordering program. That is, retailers weren't given the option to order 500 copies of X-Men #1 (1991), and for that, they would get a gold hologram X-Men card (and it's doubtful any of them would.) They just ordered 500 copies (or whatever amount), and Marvel gave them a gift.

While similar to the current retailer incentive program, it wasn't designed the same, to GET retailers to up their orders.

And, lower ratios don't necessarily incentivize retailers to order more. It depends on the title, the variant, and other factors. Many retailers say "I have to order HOW many copies of Vader Down to get that Chip variant...?"

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Originally Posted by OB
Now, who gets some of the lower rationed books is based upon previous months orders this is a recent method before then it was pretty simple you ordered x number of books you got x number of variants.

Whether the ratio is 1:4 or 1:200 it is an incentive and whether it was revealed in the consumer advance solicit magazines or not it usually mentioned the rationing in the dealer copy. Whether it was actually named as an incentive is moot.

No, it's not. You'll have to provide the specific examples that I asked about before, so it can be examined. IF...and this is a very big IF...the dealer ordering forms mentioned "retailer: if you order X amount of this book, you may order 1 copy of this variant of it" then yes, that would be a retailer incentive.

But, again, such a program couldn't even exist prior to the consolidation of distribution under Diamond in the mid-90's, and there's nothing contemporaneous in industry literature that describes such a program that I have seen until the mid-00's.

If it exists, by all means, post it. I'd love the opportunity to learn something I didn't know.

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Originally Posted by OB
Like I said before it is not good business to print a random number of copies.

Yes, you said that before, but you still have not explained why you believe this. By all means, please do. And, correction: no one said they print a "random" number of copies, if you're using "random" to mean Marvel circulation telling the printer "just print however many copies you feel like printing."

Obviously that's not the case. Marvel, DC, et al, choose precise numbers and submit orders for those precise numbers. Yes, there's an amount for spoilage figured in, but even that number isn't random.

However...if, by "random", you mean "printing more than they need for the incentive program"...you would be incorrect. Marvel, DC, et al, have repeatedly demonstrated that this is the case, even if they don't officially acknowledge it. At the Diamond lunch at SDCC last week, they handed out 500 copies of the DC Rebirth 1:100 Sketch Variant and 500 copies of Harley Quinn/Suicide Squad April Fool's Special 1:50 Variant.

Where did those copies come from...?

DC had them printed, in excess of that required for the incentive program.

Other than trying to prop up the market for these "rare" variants, I really don't understand why this is so controversial to folks. Pride...? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by OB
They print based on orders with a small over-run. That's the way it has always been since they went direct.

DC and Marvel joined the Direct market in the mid-70's. I'm not sure how that relates to the retailer incentive program of the 00's? There's a significant difference between printing what's ordered of a regular book in the tens and hundreds of thousands, and printing a 2-3-4k print run of an incentive variant, for advertising purposes.

And...ALL publishers in the early to mid 90's were wildly overprinting everything, beyond what was being ordered. That's why there are still cases of Turok #1 and Adventures of Superman #500 floating around.

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Originally Posted by OB
You are right that consolidating distribution made it much easier but the groundwork was set way back in the 90's. It most certainly has evolved and is nothing like it was back then but make no mistake the current model was born a LONG time ago.

When? With whom? Do you have specific examples?

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Originally Posted by OB
(BTW I was a retailer back before and during consolidation and after so I know full well that there were "incentives".

Ok. Which ones?

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Back in the mid 2000's it exploded when people started paying multiples of cover and retailers followed suit not long after. Yes they were not common as they are now but they were also NOT rare instances.)

Ok, great! Then coming up with examples shouldn't be too hard. I look forward to seeing them!

Thanks for the conversation!

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	Quote: Originally Posted by dpiercy The CGC Census shows 86 copies graded. Regardless of the "actual" numbers, this book is rare. I think the 400 number @SilverAgeFan cited is plausible. Sure, 400 is plausible. So is 4,000. Before you guffaw, remember: DC doesn't release this information publicly. They could easily have several cases stored to hand out as they see fit, as they do at Diamond retailer lunches, for example. The point isn't that "oh, no, it's definitely NOT 400!"...it very well COULD be...the point is, no one but the publishers and printers know, and they're not telling. So, ANY speculation is just that: speculation. It's ok to make estimates, but making estimates based on flawed understanding renders those estimates fairly useless. And, the census shouldn't be used to demonstrate how "rare" something may be. There are many books that aren't on the census. CGC has only graded 3 million or so books. That's less than the print run of a single comic, Superman #75 (or Adventures of Superman #1, or X-Men #1, etc.) 99.925% of all comics ever published haven't been slabbed, and so aren't represented on the census. The census only gives us a broad idea about what is out there. WW #38 came out last year. The fact that there are already 86 copies on the census should tell you that there are almost certainly more than 400 copies in existence, and certainly not 250-300 as theorized earlier. Consider: ASM #667 Dell'Otto only has 24 copies total on the census, and that book is 5+ years old. While that doesn't confirm anything, it does point us in the direction that ASM #667 D'O is in lower supply than the WW #38 Finch.
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	SOOOOO, I STARTED THIS AND WILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO FINISH IT. OFFICIALLY I CANNOT POSSIBLY TELL YOU HOW MANY WERE PRINTED. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE ARE CORRECT. BUT I AM GOING BY GENERALLY ACCEPTED DATA. THAT BEING SAID, YOU DISSENTERS ALSO CANNOT OFFICIALLY STATE WITH FACTS HOW MANY WERE PRINTED. SO HERE WE ARE. GIVE ME AN OFFICIALLY RELEASED NUMBER FROM DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS, AND I'LL STATE IT LOUD AND CLEAR.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan .GIVE ME AN OFFICIALLY RELEASED NUMBER FROM DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS, AND I'LL STATE IT LOUD AND CLEAR. I thought you were going to give us the officially released numbers from DC when you said "DC themselves said the Finch cover would be available in the manner and numbers discussed as I've said." That's one of the reasons this thread is still going. If you don't have the info you said you did, then there's not much left to discuss. Unless DarthLego ever comes back, lol!
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	@DocBrown, with respect you continue to split hairs and demand facts from those whom disagree with you. Now it's our turn. Cite any shop, any collector, any store owner or any insider you know. Get a current high level Marvel or DC official to publicly back up your position and this discussion is over. Until that occurs, neither position can be proven.
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	Splitting more hairs huh? I was wrong. I should have said according to the LCS's I'm my area, DC had publicized that the Finch cover would be released 1 for every 100 regular covers. MY mistake. So, now YOU give us Marvel or DC's official statement to back up what you say are facts from Diamond.
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	Here's a free tip for you variant lovers: "Awax brought up Five Below earlier. I purchased a lot of $4 packs of 4 comics many of which were 1:50, 1:100 variants." I wonder where those came from...
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	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan SOOOOO, I STARTED THIS AND WILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO FINISH IT. OFFICIALLY I CANNOT POSSIBLY TELL YOU HOW MANY WERE PRINTED. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE ARE CORRECT. BUT I AM GOING BY GENERALLY ACCEPTED DATA. THAT BEING SAID, YOU DISSENTERS ALSO CANNOT OFFICIALLY STATE WITH FACTS HOW MANY WERE PRINTED. SO HERE WE ARE. GIVE ME AN OFFICIALLY RELEASED NUMBER FROM DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS, AND I'LL STATE IT LOUD AND CLEAR. Except I don't think they ever claimed they could. That's the point. In a nutshell, Doc and Swampy are just trying to set the record straight FOR THE SAKE OF ACCURACY, and correct the language being used in this thread. Lots of money is pumped into this hobby, and having the absolute most accurate info can save people from the headaches, heartaches, and all around butthurt from purchasing something based on "what they heard" only to find out later that info was inaccurate. How can there be anything wrong with that? A great, but unrelated, example is DarthLego's recent thread saying he's seeing older Overstreet grading guides being "SOLD" for crazy prices. Turns out this was inaccurate. Now imagine if someone very new saw his first post and went to Amazon and dropped hundreds on a 2nd edition, only to realize there is a HUGE difference between asking prices, and sold prices. To be honest, for years whenever I read Doc's posts (the one's like in this thread, anyway) I almost feel like I should be paying him a fee for the info LOL. Almost.
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Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
SOOOOO, I STARTED THIS AND WILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO FINISH IT. OFFICIALLY I CANNOT POSSIBLY TELL YOU HOW MANY WERE PRINTED. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE ARE CORRECT.

Correct.

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Originally Posted by SAF
BUT I AM GOING BY GENERALLY ACCEPTED DATA.

The questions are: what does "generally accepted" mean, why is said data "generally accepted", who says it, and what information are they relying on to come up with that data?

If it's just a guess, it ought to be presented as just a guess. Nothing wrong with guesses. It's when we get into the unqualified "this book had thus and such a print run" that we run into problems.

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Originally Posted by SAF
THAT BEING SAID, YOU DISSENTERS ALSO CANNOT OFFICIALLY STATE WITH FACTS HOW MANY WERE PRINTED.

Correct, though I wouldn't classify anyone as a "dissenter", necessarily. More of a "questioner", a seeker for the facts.

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SO HERE WE ARE. GIVE ME AN OFFICIALLY RELEASED NUMBER FROM DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS, AND I'LL STATE IT LOUD AND CLEAR.

As said, there isn't any. The important thing, then, is to make sure that numbers aren't just made up. What all the websites that make these claims should be doing is 1. not making up numbers based on misinformation (that is, that the distribution ratio has anything to do with the print run when it does not), and 2. stating that no one really knows what the print runs are, so all estimations are equally valid AND invalid.

That would be great. Unfortunately, that information is not released by Marvel, DC, and a few others.

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	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego I just noticed that older editions of the Overstreet Grading Guide are being sold on Amazon and ebay for crazy high prices. Have these things become sought after as collectables or is this just people trying to take advantage of newcomers to the hobby? My post was worded as a question, and it was a fair question. And it led to me and others learning valuable information that the books are still sold at cover price by the publisher. If anyone ran out and dropped hundreds of dollars on one based on that paragraph then they have much more serious problems than just misunderstanding my use of the word sold. And based on the context of my paragraph it's highly unlikely anyone mistook what I was saying. All that being said, it has no bearing on the topic being discussed, a discussion I have already stepped out of because I don't have any information to add to either side, I'm just watching and learning what I can from the information provided. Now please don't address me or quote me anymore in this thread.
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Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
@DocBrown, with respect you continue to split hairs and demand facts from those whom disagree with you.

What hairs are being split, and how?

And yes, I am asking for (not "demanding"

facts. So should you. So should everyone to people who make claims.

Isn't that the point? Isn't getting to the truth of the matter really what's important?

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Originally Posted by SAF
Now it's our turn.

Who is "our"? I was under the impression that each user name is a unique individual, and capable of speaking for him or herself.

But you haven't answered any of my questions, so how can it possibly be your turn to ask...?

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Originally Posted by SAF
Cite any shop, any collector, any store owner or any insider you know. Get a current high level Marvel or DC official to publicly back up your position and this discussion is over. Until that occurs, neither position can be proven.

What position? I've already told you, quite clearly, that this is information that is not publicly available. Nobody but the people at DC, Marvel, et al, who decide these things, and the printer, know for sure how many of each specific variant is printed.

That's the point.

I don't know how many WW #38 1:100s were printed. Neither do you. Neither does anyone who wasn't involved in its production. I suspect Dave Finch doesn't even know.

So, we can't make statements about what IS.

However.

We CAN make statements about what is NOT.

And, what we can rule out is the following:

1. The incentive ratio is a distribution ratio. That is, for every X amount of copies a retailer orders of the regular issue, they will get/can purchase 1 copy of the incentive. If the incentive is 1:100, then for every 100 regular copies, they can obtain 1 of the incentive.

Trying to apply that ratio to anything else is a mistake, because the publishers don't make any other claims about it. They are silent. All they say is "you order this many copies of the regular, you get a copy of the incentive." That's all those numbers mean officially.

2. The publishers, through Diamond, regularly sell incentive variants to account holders, in numbers far beyond the theoretical "case rounding" scenario.

IF the incentive variants were printed to order, or printed plus 5%, or printed to "the nearest case"...this would NOT be possible.

3. The publishers, usually through Diamond, give away incentive variants on a regular basis at their various seminars, again, in numbers far beyond the "spoilage/case rounding" parameters.

So, though we don't know the quantities publishers print, we DO know that, in many if not all cases, they print much more than is needed to fulfill orders at the time of initial publication.

4. In less than two years, the number of a book, which people have theorized is limited anywhere between 250-300 to 400 copies, 86 grading events (not necessarily unique copies) have occurred at CGC.

That would mean, if they only printed 250-400, that about 20-35% of the entire print run has made its way through CGC....which, of course, isn't likely at all, based on the numbers of books with KNOWN print runs (or, at least, "official" print runs.)

Take Ultimate Spiderman #1 DF, for example. We "know" that they made at least 7,500 copies...but there are only 878 accounted for on the census (assuming there are ZERO resubs, and we know that can't be true!) That means, for a book that has been around almost as long as CGC, only as much as 12% of the entire print run has gone through CGC...and that book has certainly been worth slabbing for much of its existence.

(By the way...this is where sites like "Recalled Comics" gets things wrong. The "print run" of USM #1 DF is NOT "5,000." They either don't know about, or have forgotten, that there are an ADDITIONAL 2,500 copies that were signed, and need to be added to that total, to come up with 7,500. Not an insignificant amount!)

And there are many examples like that. No, for WW #38 to have 86 slab events speaks of a number substantially higher than 400 copies...maybe 1,000+.

8 years ago

Collector 16.89K	16.89K DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Quote: Originally Posted by MR_SigS Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan SOOOOO, I STARTED THIS AND WILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO FINISH IT. OFFICIALLY I CANNOT POSSIBLY TELL YOU HOW MANY WERE PRINTED. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE ARE CORRECT. BUT I AM GOING BY GENERALLY ACCEPTED DATA. THAT BEING SAID, YOU DISSENTERS ALSO CANNOT OFFICIALLY STATE WITH FACTS HOW MANY WERE PRINTED. SO HERE WE ARE. GIVE ME AN OFFICIALLY RELEASED NUMBER FROM DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS, AND I'LL STATE IT LOUD AND CLEAR. Except I don't think they ever claimed they could. That's the point. In a nutshell, Doc and Swampy are just trying to set the record straight FOR THE SAKE OF ACCURACY, and correct the language being used in this thread. Lots of money is pumped into this hobby, and having the absolute most accurate info can save people from the headaches, heartaches, and all around butthurt from purchasing something based on "what they heard" only to find out later that info was inaccurate. How can there be anything wrong with that? A great, but unrelated, example is DarthLego's recent thread saying he's seeing older Overstreet grading guides being "SOLD" for crazy prices. Turns out this was inaccurate. Now imagine if someone very new saw his first post and went to Amazon and dropped hundreds on a 2nd edition, only to realize there is a HUGE difference between asking prices, and sold prices. To be honest, for years whenever I read Doc's posts (the one's like in this thread, anyway) I almost feel like I should be paying him a fee for the info LOL. Almost. I'll be expecting my beer at either Boston or Baltimore.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan Splitting more hairs huh? I was wrong. I should have said according to the LCS's I'm my area, DC had publicized that the Finch cover would be released 1 for every 100 regular covers. MY mistake. So, now YOU give us Marvel or DC's official statement to back up what you say are facts from Diamond. What hairs are being split? Can you say? If not, I get the feeling that you're becoming annoyed. I would suggest, though you're certainly free to ignore my advice, that responding in annoyance and frustration isn't productive, and you might want to take a break from the conversation.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego Now please don't address me or quote me anymore in this thread. That's not a very reasonable request. If you don't want someone to address you or quote you, you ought not post at all. No one should be made to feel like they can't address what you say in a polite, dispassionate manner, regardless of what you're saying. It's really very straightforward: if you post, expect that others will respond.
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Collector 391	391 SilverAgeFan private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Splitting hairs: to argue about an inconsequential and trivial aspect of an issue. Such as asking where did this definition come from. When I stated "generally accepted", I was questioned about it. That's splitting hairs. We're I to take a survey on the forum, which I'm not, I believe the majority of members would agree that in regards to the numbers of the Finch WW 38, they would generally (I know, what's generally mean?) agree that based on what information is available, the numbers I have said are as accurate as possible. To address your thoughts concerning me becoming frustrated and annoyed. That is incorrect. That first occurred last night upon reading your post questioning my numbers. I was beyond frustrated and annoyed. I was completely pissed off. You can paraphrase, say you were just after the truth, state you just wanted to know where I got my information from, question my numbers or word it any way you like. What you did either intentionally or unintentionally is QUSETION MY HONESTY and INTEGRITY. However, because of a number of PM's I've received in support and my respect for @MR_SigS, I'll believe that you are simply a devils advocate type of person and continue to believe in the inherent good in people.
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Originally Posted by DarthLego
I just noticed that older editions of the Overstreet Grading Guide are being sold on Amazon and ebay for crazy high prices. Have these things become sought after as collectables or is this just people trying to take advantage of newcomers to the hobby?

My post was worded as a question, and it was a fair question.

*sigh* Look above. There are two sentences in your quote. One is a question. I referred to the one that isn't.

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
And it led to me and others learning valuable information that the books are still sold at cover price by the publisher.

Exactly right. Accurate info is good. Inaccurate info is bad.

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
If anyone ran out and dropped hundreds of dollars on one based on that paragraph then they have much more serious problems than just misunderstanding my use of the word sold.

True enough. Reader beware.
I, for one, care that fellow collectors aren't confused by the info they find here, so I'd have a hard time dismissing my incorrect use of a word like that.

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
And based on the context of my paragraph it's highly unlikely anyone mistook what I was saying.

You stated you have SEEN that these guides HAVE SOLD for crazy prices, and wondered if people new why. I have seen the same statement applied to actual situations where this was indeed a fact. So yes, it is possible for someone who really doesn't know better (yet) to mistake your words. But who cares, right? That would be their problem.

It's an extreme example of how misinformation can cause problems. It's an oversimplified illustration of the point you clearly missed.

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
All that being said, it has no bearing on the topic being discussed,

You once suggested I learn to read better...

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Originally Posted by MR_SigS
A great, but unrelated, example is DarthLego's recent thread...

... so demonstrate how.

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
...a discussion I have already stepped out of because I don't have any information to add to either side, I'm just watching and learning what I can from the information provided. Now please don't address me or quote me anymore in this thread.

Believe it or not Darth, it wasn't a trolling attack. I just couldn't find a better or more recent example of the use of misinformation.
I also would hope no one is so green that they would make such a mistake, but I'm sure similar events have happened based on inaccurate data not followed up by research.
If this were an attack, I would have said something like,

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As shocking as this may seem, it turns out this was inaccurate by a country mile.

But I didn't. I said, "It turns out this was inaccurate".
And it was. It's not my fault you're the one who said it. I would have used this example if my best friend said it, so this wasn't trolling.

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Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
@DocBrown What you did either intentionally or unintentionally is QUSETION MY HONESTY and INTEGRITY.

I like you SAF, I really do

, but honestly, not once did I ever get the vibe that Doc did this in either way. He questioned the validity of your information and requested that examples be shown to support them.

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Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
However, because of a number of PM's I've received in support and my respect for @MR_SigS, I'll believe that you are simply a devils advocate type of person and continue to believe in the inherent good in people.

Now there's an interesting theological conundrum; those who are after the truth at the heart of the matter are on the "devil's" side.

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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	It's just that the phrase "something is being sold" has commonly been used in the English language when someone is discussing something someone is selling. If I had said "people are asking high prices..." it certainly would have been more concise to my question. I just feel that human beings on this forum are smart enough to judge from the context of a conversation the correct meaning I was intending. Do we really need to be picking apart common English phrases just to ensure they worded in a 100% accurate way that no misinterpretation will ever happen?
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	@MR_SigS, I like you too Sig! My belief concerning @DocBrown stems from this. It's very apparent and obvious that he is highly intelligent, extremely well read and extraordinarily capable of transferring what he's thinking into the written word. As you alluded to earlier to Darth, we must always be careful and choose wisely our words new collectors, people new to the forum/community could have seen my post selling the books and my honest belief in the numbers, then read the things he had to say. At that point, because of his statements, people could have thought I was a liar, a cheat, a huckster and a host of other unpleasant things. With his demonstrated intelligence, to me, there's no way not to have considered that there very likely could be people out there whom would have taken a negative view of me based on his statements.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan What you did either intentionally or unintentionally is QUSETION MY HONESTY and INTEGRITY. You're reading into it way too much, that's not what he said or implied at all.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego It's just that the phrase "something is being sold" has commonly been used in the English language when someone is discussing something someone is selling. If I had said "people are asking high prices..." it certainly would have been more concise to my question. I just feel that human beings on this forum are smart enough to judge from the context of a conversation the correct meaning I was intending. Do we really need to be picking apart common English phrases just to ensure they worded in a 100% accurate way that no misinterpretation will ever happen? Mean what you say, say what you mean.
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