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Originally Posted by DJC_II
@X51 Have you read any of the dark nights metal one shots?
I would recommend Batman: Lost followed by all 6 Dark Batmen books. They are fun twists on alternate reality Bruce Waynes.

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Originally Posted by DJC_II
@X51 Have you read any of the dark nights metal one shots?
I would recommend Batman: Lost followed by all 6 Dark Batmen books. They are fun twists on alternate reality Bruce Waynes.

The whole concept of alternate reality characters in one-shots pretty much nails down one of the things I dislike about modern comics. Writers are unable to write long-term ongoing stories that evolve organically to create a cohesive universe. The soap opera style of writing where everything matters and affects every other title is what I like about comics. These spin-offs look like an unimaginative writer who has to throw something together quickly to get a paycheck.

I still own most of the comics I had when I was younger. One of the series that I did sell when I got back into comics was "What If?" I have absolutely no interest in seeing one-shots, limited mini-series, or random unimaginative imaginary tales that milk off of established characters.

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Originally Posted by DJC_II
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Originally Posted by DJC_II
@X51 Have you read any of the dark nights metal one shots?
I would recommend Batman: Lost followed by all 6 Dark Batmen books. They are fun twists on alternate reality Bruce Waynes.

The whole concept of alternate reality characters in one-shots pretty much nails down one of the things I dislike about modern comics. Writers are unable to write long-term ongoing stories that evolve organically to create a cohesive universe. The soap opera style of writing where everything matters and affects every other title is what I like about comics. These spin-offs look like an unimaginative writer who has to throw something together quickly to get a paycheck.

I still own most of the comics I had when I was younger. One of the series that I did sell when I got back into comics was "What If?" I have absolutely no interest in seeing one-shots, limited mini-series, or random unimaginative imaginary tales that milk off of established characters.

lol

well that makes sense why you wouldn't like this character.

I understand why they have these branch off stories.

I quite like alternate reality tales, superman red son, wolverine old man logan, batman the dark knight returns...

I also like continuity as well. I believe storytelling is an ever evolving thing, and I think all varied types of stories have a home.

What I hate in a story is when they don't end, or when they don't have a cohesive 'end' of some regard.
I don't like when a story arc has no arc. That to me is episodic, much like the Simpsons episodes... which is the equivalent to hitting your head on the wall for me.

The advantage of long term storytelling without discernible arcs is that writer would toss in small plot leads that may or may not get developed for another year or two. They were never going into the next issue with a cold start. It piqued curiosity and provided a more immersive feel to the lives of the characters. In the 70's, Marvel was kicking DC's butt in sales and the ongoing stories were the reason. DC produced self-contained stories and after reading the story, there was no sense of urgency to come back to the next issue. It was a jumping off point for the reader. Story arcs also give readers a jumping off point. The industry doesn't need that right now. It's done in a desperate attempt to get secondary sales on TPB's. That too is not good for the industry because once the TPB's are released, readers are less inclined to buy back issues. Unsold, undesirable, and devalued back issues mean that the stores are stuck with dead inventory. Money that is tied up in dead inventory is money that can't be used to order aggressively on new comics. This particularly hurts the availability of indy comics and it hurts the sustainability of less prominent characters that could benefit from higher visibility.

Originally Posted by DJC_II
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Originally Posted by X51
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Originally Posted by DJC_II
@X51 Have you read any of the dark nights metal one shots?
I would recommend Batman: Lost followed by all 6 Dark Batmen books. They are fun twists on alternate reality Bruce Waynes.

The whole concept of alternate reality characters in one-shots pretty much nails down one of the things I dislike about modern comics. Writers are unable to write long-term ongoing stories that evolve organically to create a cohesive universe. The soap opera style of writing where everything matters and affects every other title is what I like about comics. These spin-offs look like an unimaginative writer who has to throw something together quickly to get a paycheck.

I still own most of the comics I had when I was younger. One of the series that I did sell when I got back into comics was "What If?" I have absolutely no interest in seeing one-shots, limited mini-series, or random unimaginative imaginary tales that milk off of established characters.

lol

well that makes sense why you wouldn't like this character.

I understand why they have these branch off stories.

I quite like alternate reality tales, superman red son, wolverine old man logan, batman the dark knight returns...

I also like continuity as well. I believe storytelling is an ever evolving thing, and I think all varied types of stories have a home.

What I hate in a story is when they don't end, or when they don't have a cohesive 'end' of some regard.
I don't like when a story arc has no arc. That to me is episodic, much like the Simpsons episodes... which is the equivalent to hitting your head on the wall for me.

The advantage of long term storytelling without discernible arcs is that writer would toss in small plot leads that may or may not get developed for another year or two. They were never going into the next issue with a cold start. It piqued curiosity and provided a more immersive feel to the lives of the characters. In the 70's, Marvel was kicking DC's butt in sales and the ongoing stories were the reason. DC produced self-contained stories and after reading the story, there was no sense of urgency to come back to the next issue. It was a jumping off point for the reader. Story arcs also give readers a jumping off point. The industry doesn't need that right now. It's done in a desperate attempt to get secondary sales on TPB's. That too is not good for the industry because once the TPB's are released, readers are less inclined to buy back issues. Unsold, undesirable, and devalued back issues mean that the stores are stuck with dead inventory. Money that is tied up in dead inventory is money that can't be used to order aggressively on new comics. This particularly hurts the availability of indy comics and it hurts the sustainability of less prominent characters that could benefit from higher visibility.

I do agree. I thoroughly enjoy the classic X-Men run from 94-143. It has one cohesive narrative and you bond well with the characters. I think these great stories still exist. Mostly Image comics do this best however, like Brian K Vaughan and Fiona Staples' Saga, and even stuff by Ed Brubaker or Hickman and Remender.

The problem for me with Marvel is that, for starters, compared to these Image books, you have characters that have existed for literally decades. They've gone through so much, with this event and that event, and that thing, and this impacted them and that impacted them... that it creates problems.

I am a huge Wolverine fan. My Wolverine was X-Men 133, Miller and Claremont's mini... BWS Weapon X, and then things got out of hand. I don't recognize the character anymore.

To Drogio's point, there is a hard time knowing where to go, and Marvel slams you with a new #1 so many times you lose track. There is something to be said with books that hit 500, or a 1,000. They say that the large numbers scare new readers away, but I don't know if I believe that.

I do believe that #1s sell well, but just because #1s sell well does not mean that high numbers scare away new readers. One does not necessarily mean the other.

That's the slight of hand someone has sold over at Marvel. They've made a compelling argument, which was true, #1 issues do sell, but then eliminated high numbers, which to me, is where I lose interest in a book.

The high numbers to me, means breadth. It means depth. It means, history. Something I can get into.

What they SHOULD do, is keep the high numbers going, and use the minis to pull in the new readers to the high numbers. The old readers will always be on the high numbers.